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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:34 am 
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Hi all,this will be my 1st post..what i would like to know is how can we tell the difference between SBT and F3,other than on cert....is there any marks that an F3 has that an SBT doesnt....like oceli spot on ears or any other signs. thanks.


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Hi Azhar - Welcome to the Forum :D

I'm not sure if there is a straightforward way to tell the diff between an F3 and an SBT.............be interested to know though :)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:30 pm 
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From what I read, there is no significant difference in outward appearance between and F3 and SBT/F4. The difference is in further domesticating the wildness out of the breed. An F3 has more wild tendencies and is less socialized, whereas an SBT will exhibit less wild cat behavior and be more comfortable with humans.

Big difference between and F1 and F2, substantial difference between and F2 and F3, and even less between and F3 and SBT as breeders work to keep the best qualities at each successive level.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:54 pm 
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Hi

The foundation cats from F1 down to SBT all lose some of the features of the ALC as the influence of the domestic becomes more apparent. So F1's look more similar to the ALC with F4-5 less so.

At the present there are breeders who are trying to recover some of those features in the SBT.
The features I am talking about are small rounded ears, a 'wild' head shape, the ocelli spots on ears, the white markings on the face, the white tummy, the 'wild' body shape.

Breeders round the world are producing at the moment SBT's with the 'wild' head and body shape, the smaller rounded ears, the thicker tail and the white tummy. Some cats only exhibit one of these traits eg the white tummy or a 'wild' head. However some traits prove elusive at present, the ocelli I am told disappear after the F2 stage, the white markings on the face become more cream in colour as you go down the foundations, the vertical markings on the head and face also become more cream or are not so distinctive. (The process is complicated by the sterility of the foundation males).

Other breeders are going down the route which leads to improved coat quality and patterns. With types of rosetting probably never seen on an ALC. Some rosetting produced nowadays would be more at home on a leopard, ocelot or clouded leopard.

Some breeders are trying to achieve both, an ALC looking cat with fantastic rosettes and coat quality like silk.

There is no trait that you could say that the cat is definitely an F3, but I would say that of the two, the F3 and the SBT, the F3 should look slightly "wilder" but it all depends on the breeding and the mixing of the genes.
I would assume as the SBT becomes 'wilder-looking' with breeding, then foundation cats bred from such stock will retain more of the 'wild-looking' features.

As Jeff says, temperament of the cats should be more of a domestic/pet nature in the later foundations and SBT's.
It is however, important not to generalise, as I am sure there are some people reading this who have a F1 on their knee. :-)

Hope this helps

Elsa


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:16 pm 
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Thanks for all the usefull info :D


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