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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:32 pm 
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Martyn wrote:
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They get very attached to their kittens and are always sad to see them go. They do keep in touch with owners and have updates on all of their kittens :)


Getting attached is the reason I could never be a breeder. I would hate to part with them and I would end up with a house full of cats that I didn't really want. At the end of the day, no matter how much you romanticise it, if you are breeding them, then they are a commodity and you have to sell them. You have a short window of opportunity to sell them, because people want kittens, not adolescents or adult cats. So you cant really afford to be too choosy about who buys them. You also have to remember they are not children. once you have sold them, you have no rights over them whatsoever. I would imagine the vast majority of new owners never have any further contact with the breeder once the cats have gone to their new homes. More to the point, the breeder has no right to ask for, or expect any contact. I'm sure it's nice when it happens, but it's surely the exception rather than the rule. The queens and sires are also not pets. They have to be kept under optimal breeding conditions, which means you cant ever let the queens free roam and obviously the toms need to be kept in an enclosure outside. That's not really the kind of relationship I want with them.

The other issue is that unless you are doing it on a fairly large scale, you are unlikely to make any money at it. If you are showing them, then breeding is perhaps a way of getting a regular supply of show cats and perhaps partly covering costs, but even that involves a fairly huge commitment. It seems easy on the face of it, but to do it well involves a lot of work, a massive commitment, quite a lot of heartache and little financial reward.




Yes, it's going to be sad to see them go. We will have to get used to it at the time. But, if we are sure they are going to a good home and will be looked after well, we will be happy. We will definitely keep at least one kitten from first litter.

Obviously, we know they're they're not like children. The kittens will be loved, cared for and cherished just the same as we will treat our pet, as long as it takes until we find them forever homes.

Our breeders have a FB page, and had a waiting list for their kittens.

The "short" window of time to sell their kittens started well before the females were pregnant. We had to place a reservation deposit after our "interview" with them.

Our breeders are now our friends and mentors, so will be going to be keeping in touch with them as long as we have their line of Bengals. They are more than happy to hear from buyers that their kittens are doing well. We see their previous litters on their FB page when their owners post them for the breeders to see how they're doing.

If we decided we wanted to stop breeding her for whatever reason, we have to let them know, and would have to have her spayed. We would not be allowed to sell her on as a breeder. Not that we would be thinking of selling her at all. But, they have said that if we did want to re-home her for whatever reason we have to offer her back to them first. If they couldn't have her back they would help re-home her for us. They want to keep the line perfect and make sure their line of cats are kept in check.

We are happy with these contract conditions, as well as other conditions which are all for the benefit and welfare of the cats. To us it shows that they care about what happens to their kittens after they have found owners for them.

They have been extremely open and helpful with advice. We've interacted with their cats and kittens. They're socialising them, vaccinating them, and litter training them. We have seen how they interact with them, and just how much love, care and attention they give them. Maybe this is the exception. So I think we're lucky we're getting our girl from caring breeders.

Our breeders cats are also most certainly treated as pets. They only breed from the two females, twice a year. The male is spayed. They are kept in their happy home and are all indoor cats. They take their females to the stud owners that they got their kittens from and them only. As we will have to do also. But, at the stud owners discretion and agreement, if we didn't think any of their studs were suitable, we could find our own stud if we wished to.

We are not doing it for huge financial gain. We are lucky that we are in a financial position to afford the costs entailed in breeding her. We want to breed to experience the pleasure of continuing to provide beautiful Bengals to people who have fallen in love with them just like us. To experience the pleasure of helping mother successfully deliver and rear her kittens, and to see them thrive. We are fully aware of the effort, time and commitment. We've never even imagined that's it looks (as you said) easy on the face of it. Our breeder has not made out its easy at all to us. But the the satisfaction of successfully breeding their two female pets and to have the pleasure of helping rear their kittens until they're at least 12 weeks takes up a lot of their time, is emotional and can sometimes be heartbreaking, but the pleasure they get from caring for them, the playtimes and seeing their kittens thrive then it's totally worth it for them. We've not at this time thought about showing cats.

Where did you get your cat from? A breeder? Maybe your breeder was in it for pure financial gain only, didn't care who they sold the kittens to and were just in it for the money and nothing else.

Luckily we have found a breeder with enthusiasm, and passion for their Bengals, and decided to breed from them, which has inspired us to do the same so potential Bengal admirers could experience all the above themselves, whether for a pet only or breeding purpose. As we're going to breed they want to make sure we get all the help and advice from them. Because they care about their cats and kittens. They themselves told us they are not in it for purely financial gain either, because there is hardly any profit, and it all goes back into caring for their three cats and litters.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:17 pm 
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Very well stated! You've done your homework and it's great that your breeder is willing to accept some competition, although it sounds like she doesn't ever have to worry about finding owners for her kittens. It should be the same for you, although first litters don't usually have many kittens.

I will take exception with the statement that pets aren't children! My Raiden is my baby! LOL. :biggrin: :biggrin: He acts like a three-year-old who will never grow up (his name should be Peter Pan). I melt every time I see a cat. I'd have a houseful if I could, but Raiden and the hubby won't allow that.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:07 pm 
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Sherry wrote:
Very well stated! You've done your homework and it's great that your breeder is willing to accept some competition, although it sounds like she doesn't ever have to worry about finding owners for her kittens. It should be the same for you, although first litters don't usually have many kittens.

I will take exception with the statement that pets aren't children! My Raiden is my baby! LOL. :biggrin: :biggrin: He acts like a three-year-old who will never grow up (his name should be Peter Pan). I melt every time I see a cat. I'd have a houseful if I could, but Raiden and the hubby won't allow that.


I know what you mean by yours being your baby! Lol We have always viewed our cats as babies too. I just love their naughtiness, and they can melt your heart with one look, as well as get away with lots of trouble lol. We gave up worrying about furniture and curtains being ruined with our last kitten. I cared more for the kitten than I did about my furniture, and we did manage to reduce the minimal damage with lots of attention and toys. But now we have a huge cat tree and lots of scratching posts, toys etc ready for our girl. Our house is going to be a cat house. We're prepared for the queen weeing all over the place too when calling. Will be on constant cleaning duty then. Have got a list of books to read on helping queens deliver their kittens if needed.

Believe me, we had no thoughts of breeding when we visited the breeder after seeing their FB page. I'd imagined a sort of exterior cattery type "farm", but was surprised to see how they did it from their home. It was only after lots of questions and chats, and visiting them in their home environment, when they were in the middle of looking after their cats and kittens, lots of updates and videos of different stages, and seeing how much love they had for them, lots more questions, the pleasure and obvious affection they received from the cats and kittens, more research, we were then offered the option of a breeder. They won't offer a breeder kitten to just anyone, they realised we could give the time and effort, dedication and love for the breed needed. Our breeder only selects one female for breeding out of each litter, and that's only if there is a female kitten with good desirable markings. Their Bengals are stunning. We are only allowed to do the same. We were impressed with their many contract conditions. To us it showed how much they cared for the cats welfare. Very conscientious, caring people. They breed from their pets. They treat them as pets, and when they are pregnant, they put all their efforts into caring for them as pets with adorable kittens, and then rehome those kittens to Bengal cat lovers. Their house obviously quietens down for a while when the last of the kittens is rehomed. Until the next successful breeding, and then it all starts again.

I can see why it wouldn't be for everyone though. Each to their own. We're going to have to be selective too about who our future kittens are going to. We will be taking same steps as our breeders, with advice and guidance from them.

We're cat mad. Love wildlife and big cats, and when we researched Bengals, we knew we just had to have one. But now we are going to be breeding these wonderful cats. Its going to be hard but rewarding work, and we're ready for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:48 pm 
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Finding the right sire is a must unless you're planning to use one of your breeder's. In reading your posts, I find the process challenging and interesting and hope that you will allow us to follow your journey when the time comes. You may want to consider blogging your experience for others to read.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:47 pm 
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Sherry wrote:
Finding the right sire is a must unless you're planning to use one of your breeder's. In reading your posts, I find the process challenging and interesting and hope that you will allow us to follow your journey when the time comes. You may want to consider blogging your experience for others to read.


Yes, it is, and our breeder will be guiding us on the right sire, although we do have a choice to find our own if we wished to.

I am thinking of doing a blog of our venture, and will keep you all updated of our experience :)


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:01 pm 
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Now I can't wait to see pictures of your little one!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:24 am 
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Well it's been a while since I posted on here. We've had our Bengal Miisha for nearly 10 months now. She is a bundle of fun and affection. She has her own room to sleep in at night with everything she needs, plus a cat wheel to burn off excess energy whenever the need arises. We have built an outdoor cat enclosure that she can access from inside house whenever she wants to go outside, so is safe and can't escape. She's in and out all day long. At night we have a curfew and it locks when it gets dark until daylight. But, we do keep her contained in her room when we go to bed as she'd be running around the house all night long getting up to all sorts of mischief! She seems to know it's her bed time and we don't hear a peep from her all night.

She has had a couple of long calls. And we've just gone through it with her lots more attention and comfort. Her cat running wheel has helped running off excess energy. We will be hopefully mating her in August. She's lots of fun and affection. A total diva, and quite bossy. Loves to "shout" at us for attention. Has us wrapped around her little paw. I will post pics of her, but don't think I can do it from my phone, so will have to upload them from PC.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:52 pm 
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Thanks for a great update!!!! She has settled in perfectly with you. Wish you much success on the mating in August. Hope all goes well.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:04 pm 
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Have you thought about possibly showing your little one as well, as it could help you meet other breeders and also see studs in the flesh and talk to them about which could be a good match for your girl. Plus it's fun and always looks good to potential stud owners and buyers.

As for crazy bengals, my little girl was still like a kitten and going crazy around the house when she was 16, these kitties never calm down.

Good luck with your new little one and I also can't wait to see photos.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:21 pm 
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www.facebook.com/CariadBengals

I created an FB page for her. Lots of pics of our gorgeous girl :)


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:24 pm 
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Sherry wrote:
Thanks for a great update!!!! She has settled in perfectly with you. Wish you much success on the mating in August. Hope all goes well.


Thank you :)


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:29 pm 
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Seraph wrote:
Have you thought about possibly showing your little one as well, as it could help you meet other breeders and also see studs in the flesh and talk to them about which could be a good match for your girl. Plus it's fun and always looks good to potential stud owners and buyers.

As for crazy bengals, my little girl was still like a kitten and going crazy around the house when she was 16, these kitties never calm down.

Good luck with your new little one and I also can't wait to see photos.



Yes, have thought about it, but not sure if she'd be suitable as she doesn't like to be picked up and be held. I thought the judges would need to pick her up. She's struggle if they did. She will come and sit on our laps and loves to be cuddled while doing so. I've added a link to her FB page and photos :)


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:04 am 
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Kajay wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CariadBengals

I created an FB page for her. Lots of pics of our gorgeous girl :)



She's a really pretty girl, I love the rosetting on her also really nice photos.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:17 pm 
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Kajay wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CariadBengals

I created an FB page for her. Lots of pics of our gorgeous girl :)


Great photos of a beautiful cat!

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie to Bengals
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:23 pm 
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Thank you.

She's definitely a girly looking cat. We think she's pretty too :)


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