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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:07 pm 
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The RSPCA are an animal welfare charity, they charge for cats and kittens in order to cover their costs. They should not be making a profit from it. Selling pedigree cats they have for a LOT more than the Moggie cats gives the public and society the wrong impression of pedigree cats. Pedigree cats/kittens cost what they do because of the money and effort that goes into breeding them. In theory, if Moggie breeders were to screen and health test, keep kittens until fully vaccinated etc. then they should, in theory, be able to charge more so that their costs are covered. This kind of attitude that the RSPCA have just reinforces the idea to people that they can breed willy hilly and make a lot of money from it.

Besides, to the RSPCA in this situation, these poor cats were just pound signs. They knew nothing about the breed and refused to work with several breeders to find them a home. Surely that is what they are there for? To find these cats a home. That is why the owners relatives had signed them over, because they needed a home. Here the breeders were trying desperately to get the poor cats out of the centre as they were so distressed. Obviously the UK's number one animal welfare charity was far more concerned in: a) annoying breeders (which they do a lot) and b) getting as much money for the cats as they could. These cats were not sold to the breed club but sent there for fostering, for a FEE! The adoption fee was still payable by the new owner to the RSPCA. Since when do fosterers have to pay the rescue centre in order to help them out?

This was the Leicester city branch but RSPCA head office were still involved and did not overrule anything or advise the centre to stop being so selfish. Maybe individual centres are better but, as a whole, I have absolutely no respect for them anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:50 pm 
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I don't like the RSPCA either and refuse to pay any money toward them - i reported a dog which i had seen being beaten with my own eyes and then saw happen AGAIN so i updated my call. It took them about 5 weeks to go to the property to investigate for them to finally call me back around 6 weeks after the original phone call, which i believe is their maximum limit, and say there was no dog at that property!!! I fear that the reason for that was the poor thing probably died. I also have heard about 4/5 stories off friends which were also awful stories. They just don't seem to care. I also watched a programme on the RSPCA a while ago and didn't like what i saw...

Glad these two kitties are ok now! X

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:14 pm 
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I think they do need to make some profit cus they also need back up money for unezpected travel, emergancies with vets, advertising, resources for offices and fundraising events ect. I guess my area is lucky but like i said i do know of all the stories where the rspca are failing unfortunatley :( x

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:43 pm 
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The RSPCA are an animal welfare charity, they charge for cats and kittens in order to cover their costs. They should not be making a profit from it. Selling pedigree cats they have for a LOT more than the Moggie cats gives the public and society the wrong impression of pedigree cats. Pedigree cats/kittens cost what they do because of the money and effort that goes into breeding them. In theory, if Moggie breeders were to screen and health test, keep kittens until fully vaccinated etc. then they should, in theory, be able to charge more so that their costs are covered. This kind of attitude that the RSPCA have just reinforces the idea to people that they can breed willy hilly and make a lot of money from it.

Besides, to the RSPCA in this situation, these poor cats were just pound signs. They knew nothing about the breed and refused to work with several breeders to find them a home. Surely that is what they are there for? To find these cats a home. That is why the owners relatives had signed them over, because they needed a home. Here the breeders were trying desperately to get the poor cats out of the centre as they were so distressed. Obviously the UK's number one animal welfare charity was far more concerned in: a) annoying breeders (which they do a lot) and b) getting as much money for the cats as they could. These cats were not sold to the breed club but sent there for fostering, for a FEE! The adoption fee was still payable by the new owner to the RSPCA. Since when do fosterers have to pay the rescue centre in order to help them out?

This was the Leicester city branch but RSPCA head office were still involved and did not overrule anything or advise the centre to stop being so selfish. Maybe individual centres are better but, as a whole, I have absolutely no respect for them anymore.


Did you voice your concerns about this to RSPCA head office Lollo? What did they have to say about it? Unfortunately they don't seem to be helping people anymore either. My neighbours who already have 2 cats had a stray staying in their shed. They feed him and let him sleep in there but he has some kind of skin disorder and they didn't want to take the risk of their other cats catching anything off him he's also an entire male. When it was snowing they contacted RSPCA to ask for help but they wouldn't come out and get him as they said he was ok living in their shed! My neighbours have now taken him to the vets and paid for treating his skin condition in the hope that they can find him a home themselves. Makes you wonder what people are paying RSPCA for. I know they're stretched but they could have helped out in some way.

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:29 pm 
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Come on people the RSPCA do a very good job with very little funding and I think its right for them to charge more for a pedigree cat than others. They have to capitalise on every opportunity they have to create a revenue source to fund the not so pretty moggy cats.

Yes the RSPCA have some very strict rules about where they place or rehome animals but without a strict framework, they increase the likelihood of these animals being returned to them time and time again. Also lets not forget the stirling job they do in lobbying parliment for better treatment of animals across the board.

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:28 pm 
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I looked at the RSPCA accounts (as a charity they are freely available). They have so much money you wouldnt believe it - trillions! Investments all over the place; that is where people's donations go: investments.
Also there are a considerable amount of people that work for them who earn 80k or over a year.
Their intake in 2008 was £120 million.
And yet they refuse to help out the smaller sanctuaries and rescues who only exist because the RSPCA won't help these animals.


A quote I found easily online ......there is no reason why they should charge more for pedigree cats - what a daft comment.

plus a news article for informaton

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... althy.html

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:18 pm 
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Come on people the RSPCA do a very good job with very little funding and I think its right for them to charge more for a pedigree cat than others. They have to capitalise on every opportunity they have to create a revenue source to fund the not so pretty moggy cats.

Yes the RSPCA have some very strict rules about where they place or rehome animals but without a strict framework, they increase the likelihood of these animals being returned to them time and time again. Also lets not forget the stirling job they do in lobbying parliment for better treatment of animals across the board.


The point was that there was no way they would get that amount for a 3 year old pedigree cat. They would also rather have had the cats 'put to sleep' than homed with a specialist in their breed. No other fosterer is charged to look after cats for the RSPCA. These cats were paid for twice, by the breed club who fostered them and by the new owners. They cared far more about making money off the cats than the cats welfare... that is the bit that disgusted me the most. Korat breeders are a close knit family. There are not hundreds of breeders out there that breed them and the RSPCA declared that any contract signed by the owner as to what would happen with the cats should they not be able to look after them was null and void and because the cats were signed over to them, they didn't have to tell anyone anything about their pedigree. The Korat breeders were very concerned about the welfare of these cats but teh RSPCA did not care at all.

I am completely astounded by their lack of care. It was only when breeders sought some legal advice regarding the 'welfare' of the cats in the care of the RSPCA and talked of talking to the press that they eventually agreed to allow these to be fostered for a cost. These cat's personalities changed within hours of being in a caring home. They went from certain death to living the life of luxury!

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:36 am 
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Looking at the Rspca's 2011 accounts two figures horrify me the most, side by side.

Animals re homed : 77,211
Humane euthanasia: 53,184

That's over a 40% kill rate...:


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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:03 pm 
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Those stats show there are just too many pets: to housholds in the UK

I know loads of people with multiple pets and its not good enough. There will never be adequate housing for all these animals unless we had a magic pause button to pause any more breeding :neutral:

So the excess or ones left over either become homeless and suffer, or eventually put to sleep to either end suffering or make way for the next lot that were needlessly bred, like a convayor belt....

If i had a wish it would be to stop any future breeding to give the older animals chance to catch up and be homed before the next cute and adorable babies come along. We can all slate RSPCA but as those stats showed they DID home 77,000 animals and that is commendable even if some of their ethics and policies are not x

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:13 pm 
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Tbh I don't think its so much too many pets but too many people who live in a throw away society.

Only tonight someone on my fb said they were disgusted with a friend who was giving her cat to a rescue centre so she could get a dog.

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:05 pm 
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Thats so strange why didnt she just have the both of them??? lol x

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:03 pm 
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People tend to love kittens and puppies. And that is mainly the motivation for breeding too.

The original kitten acquired grows up, but there will be more kittens to fuss and coo over by letting her have one litter or indeed by buying a breeding queen. The kitten "fix" needs to be met, one of the kittens then is kept and she has a litter too and so it goes. It may even mean that older cats get rehomed "for their own good", to make sure there is room for the kittens, who are much more fun than "grumpy" older cats who just complain when their home is invaded by younger cats or kittens.

Having a litter of kittens also elevates a person's position in their friend group/family/neighbourhood as everyone wants to come and see the kittens, it is a great talking point and photos are put up everywhere in social media too. "soo cute!"

The fact kittens have a value is also a huge incentive to continue to breed and I am sure when that first handful of notes is received, many then see it all as easy money and want to repeat the process.

No one is really concerned as to where all those kittens end up eventually, as it is all fairly superficial, cosy and "nice" in some sort of rosy-spectacled haze.
Responsibility for the cats often ends as they walk out the door and it is always so exciting to look forward to the next batch of kittens, who are due any time soon...

The desire to hold and own cute little bundles of kitten fluff is ever present in humans, and that can scupper even the best neutering campaigns.

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:43 pm 
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Binx_Bengal_Mummy wrote:
I foster for a rescue in nottinghamshire and derbyshire called cross counties cat resue. As its a small local rescue not a nation wide charity charity like rspca we are able to really cater for each individual cat, placing them in the rescue and into suitable foster homes while pending adoption. We have the time to be thourough about who we adopt to and dont rush applications just to make room for new cats coming in. We charge £60 adoption fee which covers vaccination, neutering, and micro chip. Obv in that sense the rescue doesnt really make money, and when fostering i pay for all my own litter and food. If it wernt for us genuinley volunteering, unlike the rspca who do use adoption fees for wages ect :neutral: then these cats would be put to sleep :cry:

This is Marley and Moon who are in residence at the moment and are vailable for adoption by the way :wink:


Aww Marley & Moon look a bit like my two. Hope they get somewhere soon.
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People tend to love kittens and puppies. And that is mainly the motivation for breeding too.

The original kitten acquired grows up, but there will be more kittens to fuss and coo over by letting her have one litter or indeed by buying a breeding queen. The kitten "fix" needs to be met, one of the kittens then is kept and she has a litter too and so it goes. It may even mean that older cats get rehomed "for their own good", to make sure there is room for the kittens, who are much more fun than "grumpy" older cats who just complain when their home is invaded by younger cats or kittens.

Having a litter of kittens also elevates a person's position in their friend group/family/neighbourhood as everyone wants to come and see the kittens, it is a great talking point and photos are put up everywhere in social media too. "soo cute!"

The fact kittens have a value is also a huge incentive to continue to breed and I am sure when that first handful of notes is received, many then see it all as easy money and want to repeat the process.

No one is really concerned as to where all those kittens end up eventually, as it is all fairly superficial, cosy and "nice" in some sort of rosy-spectacled haze.
Responsibility for the cats often ends as they walk out the door and it is always so exciting to look forward to the next batch of kittens, who are due any time soon...

The desire to hold and own cute little bundles of kitten fluff is ever present in humans, and that can scupper even the best neutering campaigns.


Thankfully some people are dedicated to cats and not just kittens. I can see the pull of a new kitten but at the same time feel a sense of loyalty to the pets I already own and how adding a kitten might affect them. Also some people don't look at the reality of kittens growing into cats very, very quickly. We live in a throw away and replace society but how people can do that with animals always amazes me. I don't get it you build a bond with the animals you have...why would you want to replace them?

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 Post subject: Re: RSPCA
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:15 pm 
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I don't get it you build a bond with the animals you have...why would you want to replace them?


Perhaps the bonds built, are the same as a person would build with a favourite car or a nice pair of shoes or a new acquaintance or a short-term work colleague, as opposed to the closer bonds that many of us have with our cats here.

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