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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:36 pm 
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I read this this morning while skimming the news and was like....yeah good luck there.

http://news.msn.com/world/new-zealand-t ... he-thought

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:23 pm 
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It seems to me, if he wants New Zealand to get back to the way it was, he should get rid of all the humans.
The reason being, every species but humans, adapt to suit its environment. Humans adapt the environment to suit themselves.

The guy is a first class idiot.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:01 pm 
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Bit of a quandary, I like cats, but I also like birds. Extinct and endangered ones are particularly valuable.
So, I think he has a valid point. New Zealand has a lot of endangered wild life that are eaten daily by cats. New Zealand birds are often flightless and mammals, so cats can have a huge impact on the numbers.
New Zealand needs to weigh up the advantages of having outdoor cats as opposed to having a varied wild life. Its wildlife is in fact unique to the country, so perhaps they do need to cut down on cat freedom and numbers.

Even in the UK, cats gobble up our birds too.
"The most recent figures are from the Mammal Society, which estimates that the UK's cats catch up to 275 million prey items a year, of which 55 million are birds...Despite the large numbers of birds killed, there is no scientific evidence that predation by cats in gardens is having any impact on bird populations UK-wide. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease, or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds."

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:18 am 
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Agree with what he's saying, cats are very efficient predators and a threat to any environment not native to them. The simple solution though is not to let cat's roam outside, something endorsed by many animal welfare groups such as peta.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:49 am 
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I agree that the parts of his campaign to keep them inside and to spay/neuter pets are both good, I don't think getting rid of all the cats will ever fly though.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:11 pm 
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mcjc wrote:
Agree with what he's saying, cats are very efficient predators and a threat to any environment not native to them. The simple solution though is not to let cat's roam outside, something endorsed by many animal welfare groups such as peta.

While I agree with the rest of this, let's not use PETA as a positive example.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:19 pm 
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Hmmmm, why not enclose gardens, use cat runs and keep them dafe indoors? Not more harming the birds! :D

Also I was trying to work out how to set up a peition and came across this one:

'Get rid of ALL pets, cats & dogs in the country, UK.' :shock:

ONLY allowed to have dogs that work. All other pets arent allowed! :shock:

Had 1 signiture, the person who started it!!!! :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:09 pm 
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junglerose wrote:
Bit of a quandary, I like cats, but I also like birds. Extinct and endangered ones are particularly valuable.
So, I think he has a valid point. New Zealand has a lot of endangered wild life that are eaten daily by cats. New Zealand birds are often flightless and mammals, so cats can have a huge impact on the numbers.
New Zealand needs to weigh up the advantages of having outdoor cats as opposed to having a varied wild life. Its wildlife is in fact unique to the country, so perhaps they do need to cut down on cat freedom and numbers.

Even in the UK, cats gobble up our birds too.
"The most recent figures are from the Mammal Society, which estimates that the UK's cats catch up to 275 million prey items a year, of which 55 million are birds...Despite the large numbers of birds killed, there is no scientific evidence that predation by cats in gardens is having any impact on bird populations UK-wide. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease, or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds."


lol @ Elaine, surely the extinct ones are not as important on the basis that they are extinct and there are no more of them.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:12 am 
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lol @ Elaine, surely the extinct ones are not as important on the basis that they are extinct and there are no more of them.[/quote]

:lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:52 am 
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Get rid of all the cats...... Get overrun with rats..... They climb the trees and steal the eggs....... No more birds anyway!
Seems the best solution is get rid of the birds and let the cats kill the rats. :popcorm1:
No more scraping bird poop off the paintwork of your cars...... BONUS!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:29 pm 
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jodonut99 wrote:
Get rid of all the cats...... Get overrun with rats..... They climb the trees and steal the eggs....... No more birds anyway!
Seems the best solution is get rid of the birds and let the cats kill the rats. :popcorm1:
No more scraping bird poop off the paintwork of your cars...... BONUS!


Why not just keep cats indoors? :biggrin:

Also I dont see any rats and never seen my cats kill any either!!

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Taylorbaby wrote:

Also I dont see any rats and never seen my cats kill any either!!


Just because you don't see rats, it doesn't mean there aren't any there. It doesn't matter where you live, you will almost certainly have rats nearby. They are very shy animals, and also very intelligent. Clever enough to avoid cats. Actually, I think they are fascinating creatures, and greatly misunderstood.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:27 pm 
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cats were here before humans

rats are only lingering around because of human

and also iv never actually seen a cat purposly kill a bird, unless it was already half dead on the floor :neutral:

i think this bloke hasnt really got a viable argument lol

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:36 pm 
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I have seen cats kill birds just because they can! My husbands cat was really bad about that, he would bring at least one animal onto our porch EVERYDAY!!! He brought a chipmnk once that we had to save a let it back into the tree. He also chased a fox off of our property one night :rolleyes: As far as rats, yes they are where ever you are! We have lived in our current house for almost four years and I have never seen a rat........until BB put a dead one on the pillow next to my head :lol: I don't think getting rid of cats would solve anything tho. If its not cats killing the birds something else will, that is just the way nature works!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:57 pm 
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exactly you should intervene in the great circle of life! If there are more birds thats more bird poop, more insects will be eating which definatley would upset the enviroment, more trees will be inhabited which couls also have an affect. Again i really dont think this guy has thought this through lol x

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