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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:12 am 
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Hi there, we are now on day 8 of the erythromycin for the campylobacter and day 5 of the ronidazole for the TF. If anything their diarrhoea is getting worse, although they seem happy as anything and certainly more lively than they have done.

I'm worried though that there's been no improvement at all so far in their diarrhoea, can anyone tell me if this is normal? Also, Boosh is taking his pills absolutely fine, but Coolio hates it. My OH has to sit with him for up to an hour to make sure he swallows it. If we put it in any food he just eats around it. Can you get anything to help them take pills?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:15 pm 
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Hi there, we are now on day 8 of the erythromycin for the campylobacter and day 5 of the ronidazole for the TF. If anything their diarrhoea is getting worse, although they seem happy as anything and certainly more lively than they have done.

I'm worried though that there's been no improvement at all so far in their diarrhoea, can anyone tell me if this is normal? Also, Boosh is taking his pills absolutely fine, but Coolio hates it. My OH has to sit with him for up to an hour to make sure he swallows it. If we put it in any food he just eats around it. Can you get anything to help them take pills?

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When a cat gets an infection of the bowels, it causes inflammation. The bowel becomes reddened, raw and doesn't work as it should, hence the diarrhoea. If the bowel has been in that state for a while then it can take a long time to settle down. The bugs and parasites are gone having been killed off by the antibiotic/ronidazole but the bowel itself needs a while to heal up and return to its normal function. So it can take weeks for the gut to return to normal. Your cats are getting a double whammy, one the TF and the campylobacter load and two the antibiotic erythromycin.

Antibiotics also tend to kill off the normal gut bacteria, so a return to normal function may take a while. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic ... d_diarrhea

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:32 pm 
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Hi Elaine, many thanks for this. We haven't had a lot of advice from our vet, I guess because TF is quite unusual, so it's good to have some expert knowledge! Thanks for your help.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:29 pm 
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Booshy wrote:
....but Coolio hates it. My OH has to sit with him for up to an hour to make sure he swallows it. If we put it in any food he just eats around it. Can you get anything to help them take pills?

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The best thing I have found for difficult cats is either
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Buster-Tablet-I ... 223&sr=8-1
Scruff the cat first, open its mouth and put the introducer in and squeeze the plunger.

Or if it is just a small quarter or half tablet, you can cover the pill in butter and pop it into his mouth, (don't use butter and the introducer, it doesn't work.) Clamp his mouth shut so he cannot spit it out and then stroke his neck and wait for him to swallow. Make sure the butter is cold, I cover the pill in butter then put the whole lot into the fridge to cool it, as if too warm, your fingers will quickly melt butter and it is difficult then to get it off your fingers.

I always check around the place afterwards, because even after "successful" pill popping I have found the pill on the floor, in bedding and last time I found one stuck to his back leg.

One shake of the head, a flick of the tongue and the pill ends up in orbit. :biggrin:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:03 pm 
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Elaine that pill introducer is a life saver thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:15 pm 
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I cannot get the pill introducer to work for my Bengal. I currently have to give him medication 3 times a day and I am really struggling. Glad it has worked for you. If your Ronidazole is a capsule do be careful that the introducer does not crush it as it will allow the nasty powder to come out.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:20 pm 
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lollo2304 wrote:
I cannot get the pill introducer to work for my Bengal. I currently have to give him medication 3 times a day and I am really struggling. Glad it has worked for you. If your Ronidazole is a capsule do be careful that the introducer does not crush it as it will allow the nasty powder to come out.


I am giving tablets to one of my cats too, and he is not easy, am now using butter formed into a ball with the tablet inside dusting it in in corn flour and put into the fridge for a while to harden the cornflour makes it less likely to stick to your fingers when it goes in the mouth. Scruff the cat, open its mouth and put your finger with the tablet right to the back. I get him when he is sleepy in the afternoon as it is just once a day.

Some are complete nightmares, I have one who when she was on tablets spat/vomited the tablet back out every time, so you are not alone in having trouble Lorraine.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:01 pm 
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Yes I found getting the pill into the introducer in the first place was the trickiest bit. I thought I would have a fight on my hands but it worked a treat and I managed it all by myself :biggrin:
Just over a week left on the Ronidazole now... can't go quickly enough! It's their last day on antibiotics today too so I'm hoping to perhaps see their poo getting a bit more solid
Thanks guys for all the tips.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:55 pm 
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Elaine I have tried that minus the cornflour so will give that bit a go. My issue is that he has 1.5 tablets twice a day and another type once a day. Plus liquid 3 times a day which I can now wean down and another liquid once a day. Chances of sneaking up on him to do any of them are so slim now as I'm sure he sleeps with 1 eye open in case I attack him again! If I manage it once per day with ease that is about the best I can hope for. Bad news, he needs 4 weeks of antibiotics :eek: so, I have come home today with injections to give him on the days I am alone for most of the day. So mon-fri he has sub cut synulox and the at the weekend my husband will help me give him the tablets to give his neck a rest. I will have to persevere with the metronidazole daily though. First injection tonight so fingers crossed for me, been a while since I have injected a cat, though I give myself injections every day!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:26 pm 
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lollo2304 wrote:
Elaine I have tried that minus the cornflour so will give that bit a go. My issue is that he has 1.5 tablets twice a day and another type once a day. Plus liquid 3 times a day which I can now wean down and another liquid once a day. Chances of sneaking up on him to do any of them are so slim now as I'm sure he sleeps with 1 eye open in case I attack him again! If I manage it once per day with ease that is about the best I can hope for. Bad news, he needs 4 weeks of antibiotics :eek: so, I have come home today with injections to give him on the days I am alone for most of the day. So mon-fri he has sub cut synulox and the at the weekend my husband will help me give him the tablets to give his neck a rest. I will have to persevere with the metronidazole daily though. First injection tonight so fingers crossed for me, been a while since I have injected a cat, though I give myself injections every day!


I realise he was very ill and perhaps the sensitivities will not match up but what about the long acting Convenia (7-14 days), it is type of a cephalosporin. May take away some of your work.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:59 am 
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Does anyone have suggestions on what to do if you vet has never heard of TF? My cats have been dealing with diarrea for years and poop tests were clear except for 1 which was submitted within 30 minutes. We noted round protozoa and Im worried that its just another giardia misdiagnosis. EDIT; ill send over:


http://www.fabcats.org/breeders/infoshe ... monas.html
http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/personnel/gookin_jody.html
http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/documents/ ... _final.pdf

SECOND EDIT; is this something I can test for myself?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:33 pm 
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Hi we did some research on the internet and phoned round other local vets until we found one that had treated TF previously. They had already done a lot of research for the first case they treated and they were extremely helpful. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:37 pm 
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Hi,
Thank you very much for these posts, they are really helpful. Our kittens have FT, Giardia and Salmonella.

I am worried about the effects of Ronidazole, apparently it changes cat's personality and has serious side effects. Has anyone experienced that? This is what an academic article says: "The drug is rapidly and completely absorbed by the gastrointestinal tract and has a long elimination half-life. These properties appear to predispose some cats to neurotoxicosis while receiving the drug. Signs include; lethargy, inappetence, ataxia, and seizures. [...] Continuing treatment after signs of toxicosis are observed could result in life-threatening complications"

This article also states that Ronidazole is banned in the US. But it is not in the Uk, is that right? I am not sure of it is good or bad now. Is Ranidazole really the only effective treatment?

quotations from: Mary Katherine Tolbert, Jody L. Gookin, PhD: FT: A New Agent of Feline Diarrhea, North Carolina State University

Thanks a lot!

Marta and Matthew


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:28 pm 
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Merleau&Ponty wrote:
Hi,
Thank you very much for these posts, they are really helpful. Our kittens have FT, Giardia and Salmonella.

I am worried about the effects of Ronidazole, apparently it changes cat's personality and has serious side effects. Has anyone experienced that? This is what an academic article says: "The drug is rapidly and completely absorbed by the gastrointestinal tract and has a long elimination half-life. These properties appear to predispose some cats to neurotoxicosis while receiving the drug. Signs include; lethargy, inappetence, ataxia, and seizures. [...] Continuing treatment after signs of toxicosis are observed could result in life-threatening complications"

This article also states that Ronidazole is banned in the US. But it is not in the Uk, is that right? I am not sure of it is good or bad now. Is Ranidazole really the only effective treatment?

quotations from: Mary Katherine Tolbert, Jody L. Gookin, PhD: FT: A New Agent of Feline Diarrhea, North Carolina State University

Thanks a lot!

Marta and Matthew


Ronidazole is not banned in the US or the UK. It is unlicenced for treatment of TF in cats in both places but that is not the same as being banned. It just means that there isn't research and trials done to determine if it's considered safe... there never will be any either.

Ronidazole dosage has been significantly revised over the years. It has changed since i treated my cats 3 years ago. So long as you stick with the current protocol of 20-30mg per kg per day in one dose... for 14 days... the risks are greatly reduced further. All drugs carry risks of side effects, even licensed ones. The side effects are completely reversible in most cases if treatment is discontinued immediately. this is why it is very important to follow these guidelines. Give the drug at the same time each day. Play with your cat at the same time each day with the same toy, something that will make them jump. Assess their co-ordination, balance and neurological status . If you see that they are not as good as they were previous times then consult your vet.

It used to be thought that cats naturally get rid of TF over time but it is now thought that a fair few will continue to shed the parasite intermittently for life. It can cause lifelong digestion problems if left untreated.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:42 pm 
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Bengal Purrfection wrote:
Thank you again so much. today i have talked to two vets, who think that there is a high possibility that the reason why our female is vomiting and is acting the way she is, is because is she overdosing on the pancour the breeder gave us. so now we are needing to give them a stool sample. looking for the giardia, coccidia and possible coronivirus. then if they are negative.. we will go fourth with the testing with the TF. but first we want to see what is going on and get them medicated. The Vet Dr I talked to today said even with all of it we can still breed, but they need to be tested and medicated and wait for this long process to be over with. Thank you so much for all of your help,. i will try to keep you updated. we wrote the breeder and told her were keeping our boy and taking him to the vet rather then letting him give her the care and she basically asked for the vet records, which i wont give her if she wont pay for them or help. she basically said it in a nice way of saying f off. :( sad since she is suppose to be a life time mentor. oh well.. I dont know how to put a picture up here, but this is our babies. i wanted you to see what they looked like, they are beautiful, i wish i knew how to make them into the signatures like everyone else so people can see them. :)

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Here are your little ones... It's been a while since you posted, what happened in the end?

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I am passing through the same issues, got my little girl 3 weeks ago (now 5 months old), came with runny, smelly poo, breeder said he had changed foods recently because her previous food didn't suit her and it should settle down in a few weeks on the new food...but it hasn't yet. Here in Spain cats are not as appreciated as dogs. Next week I have a vets appointment and will push for TF testing from the beginning...

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