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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:54 am 
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Hi, i bought a bengal and he is about 5 month old. The breeder didn't tell me which quality he was,i did get him at a pet price but he told me that (i don't know if this is true) he was selling him cheaper because it was the last one from the litter , he was almost 4 months old, and as he couldn't find a buyer and he wasn't planning to keep it for breeding so he put the cat "for sale". I still don't know which is his quality . I've checked the standards of Fife (that's where he is registered) and Tica, and i couldn't find any imperfection , except from the chin which isn't very prominent or strong as in pictures i've seen.

In case he was pet quality, can he still take part in the shows and win something?

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PS: i don't have many pictures of him, as he doesn't like to be photographed, i might upload later.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:17 am 
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Pet/show quality is something the breeder determines themselves based of the breed standards. Even a cat sold as show quality is not for-sure going to win anything at a show. Does your cat have the right temperament for showing? I notice you say he doesn't like to be photographed, how about being handled?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:52 am 
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7Deadly$ins wrote:
you say he doesn't like to be photographed, how about being handled?


Sorry, it was kind of a joke, meaning that he moves so much that i can never get good photos of him, sometimes it looks as if he did this on purpose :lol: . About being handled , it depends. most of the times he can,he is getting used to be in my arms and sometimes he enjoys this and purrs. others, when he is really active he doesn't want to be touched.. but most of the times he is calmed.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:07 am 
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Does your contract say anything about showing? Some breeders don't allow showing their kittens sold as pets and some do.
Also, it's very stressing for some cats to be at a show so you should take that into consideration.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:55 am 
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Rather then taking a photo of him free-running can you get someone to hold him stretched out in a 'show pose' that way you will get a non blurred photo that will show markings and head.
No one can guarantee a show win - not even a breeder - so I think that question is not one anyone can answer for you.
Cats are judged on the day against other cats and the one that wins is the one that is closest to the breed standard, but there is also an element of judge preference so it could depend on who is judging also.

The main things I think in regards to showing are - no tail faults - ie no kinks in the tail and its not long thin and whippy.
The ears are medium size - rounded tips and set well on the head - ie not straight up, pointed big bat ears.
There are no lockets - ie white/grey patches anywhere on the body (this doesn't include a whited tummy or white whisker pads/chin) - check for these around the neck area or on the tummy usually.

The profile ie nose bridge - needs to be straight or with a slight curve to it, not indented or dipped.

The coat needs to be clear and a good contrast ie if a brown Bengal the markings need to stand out so the blacker the better. No vertical lines by the rib - but its very difficult not to have at least one.
If Marble the pattern is liked to be open and have a horizontal flow to it and no bullseye.

The bite needs to be level first and foremost in regards to the mouth - the chin shouldnt fall away.

Those are the main things - when you are looking at your cat try to be subjective about what you are looking at - and then you can decide if you think its worth a shot. Personally unless there are any major faults, ie locket, kink in tail, under or overshot jaw then I think its worth a go.

And the most important thing - TEMPERAMENT :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:48 pm 
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Suki wrote:
Does your contract say anything about showing? Some breeders don't allow showing their kittens sold as pets and some do.
Also, it's very stressing for some cats to be at a show so you should take that into consideration.


i don't know if it's a contract, i just have the transference of the ownership from the breeder to me and the pedigree. it says that it's not for breeding but nothing about showing. I think i'll have a go, besides i've checked which bengals are currently competing in the neutral category and there are not many.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:21 pm 
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In Fifa shows the most important is the coat (texture, color, contrast, etc) which is up to 40 points, then the body 25 and the head 20 , eyes 10 and condition which is health and attitude 5

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:44 pm 
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I personally do not think it is as simple as that - a fault is a fault regardless of where it is on the body and will go towards CC's being withheld aswell as placings.
Health and attitude maybe a 5 on Fife - but if they fail vetting in they don't get shown, same if the temperament is iffy they may well get a could not handle and won't get any placings.
The only way you will know is to take your cat to a show and find out.

I don't really want to critique your cat - I have my personal preferences on what I like and don't like - but I am also not a judge.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:26 pm 
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Lacemoat wrote:
I don't really want to critique your cat - I have my personal preferences on what I like and don't like - but I am also not a judge.


I don't care about criticism , in fact, i would appreciate it. fristly because i have a very subjective point of view for i love my kitten and i will always think he is the most beautiful thing on earth, (it's like a psychologist doing therapy on a relative or friend , they can't). Then, i wouldn't like to put him under the pressure and stress of a two-day show if he has no chances. Besides you are a breeder and your preferences surely have a reason, as you sell bengals for this.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:10 pm 
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okey dokes....well from looking at the photos his ears are alittle high set on the head and large - they are nicely rounded - but as he grows they will get in more proportion to his head and get better set.
Again just purely from what I see his chin is quite weak as you noted yourself - it seems to fall away.

The pattern doesnt seem to have much horizontal flow which is preferred in marbles - by that I mean the blocks of colour should flow along the side of the body not down it. But his coat looks lovely and shiny and the pattern is not too closed.

He has a nice rounded head shape, slight concave profile but not indented, his tail tappers off a little but is of a nice length and thickness.

My main concern would be his chin - I would check his bite is level. The chin should be in line with the nose leather.

I hope thats helped - Im not the most experienced breeder by any stretch though.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:21 am 
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thanks for enlightening me! i don't understand what you mean when you say "the tail tappers off" and that the "teeth are level" (sorry but english is not my mother-language).

I think he isn't ready for shows yet, i'll wait until he grows up a bit.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:55 am 
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Well, there are kitten level shows. As for his tail, it means that it gets thinner as it gets to the tip (tapers off).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:38 am 
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Teeth are level is to check if he has a level bite - so his top teeth at the front need to meet his bottom teeth at the front and not be in front or behind them. Its basically jaw alignment. Hope that helps :)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:34 am 
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Something I've wondered for a while...what do the 3A, 1A mean? I often see "puppy group 3" etc...


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:01 pm 
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I am not familiar with puppy showing.


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