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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:04 pm 
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Ive had alot of people ask me, including family members, why I dont I make money breeding, or why Im always in debt :roll: And people thinking they will make a living breeding :lol:

So I wrote this for them, do you think its OK and gets the point across? Have i missed anything? :)

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Why do I want to breed? Have I the time, patience and understanding? Can I afford it?
Have I researched the subject thoroughly? Have I discussed this with the experts (other breeders)? How will my human family feel about the idea, will they agree?
Will I be able to sell my kittens? (Perhaps there are already many established breeders in the area). Do I just fancy a litter? Do I just want a bit of my cat forever/mini version of the cat? Want the family to experience birth with a cat, to show them how life starts? Think its nature/do not believe in neutering? Want to make money?

Breeding takes time, money, hard work, yes breeding is classed s a 'hobby' hobbies cost money, you certainly do NOT make money breeding, well, not when its done properly!!

Costs of breeding. * = extra but mostly not covered by budget, as people don’t seem to think of is as extra… it is!

Before breeding
Researching lines, breed standard, making friends with breeders, visiting shows, *buying a show neuter to get a feel for breed/standard *books about breeding/showing/genetics, petrol (gets in everywhere that one!) *spending time knowing how to help mum give birth, revive a kitten etc *animal care courses Plus normal everyday care for cats owned, they don’t live on air!

This is Based on a cat having one litter and this is for one litter!
Not including the breeders time, spent with kittens/mum (which is 24/7) raising them to be the most purrfect kittens ever! Then new owner visiting their babies, can be anywhere from 1 to 6 hours! (not joking!) Nor the lack of sleep they get either!
Talking to neighbours, always have good neighbours due to the noise of calling/kittens, a lot don’t like it!

Before the litter
* Registered quality breeding girl on active for breeding/show
* importing a queen from abroad
*vet fee to make sure she is healthy
*Boosters
*worming
*Show fees
*Show supplies, litter tray/grooming items/drapes/bowls/bed/actual crate hotel fees/petrol!
*Petrol
Birthing pen
Crates
Extra cleaning items made special safe for cats
Health tests for breed example HCM/PKD/FIV/FELV
Stud fees
Petrol to stud (maybe hours away - & may take more than 1 time
*Courier fee to stud if stud is many many hours away & * boarding a cat at the studs.
*may lose your stud fee if girl doesn’t get in kitten and will have to pay & go through it all again.
Feeding mum as much as 4 times during pregnancy, QUALITY food.
Vet check up/problems * may need scan if problems or medication
Birthing items. example bedding/sheets/special paper collars. Scales / hand rearing powder etc
*breeder program, example pedigrees.

After litter
*time off work, sometimes into the weeks.
Birth
*pure heartache of losing a kitten or having one put to sleep-cannot be prepared for.
*c section around £550- 1,000 depends on how bad/medication
(I was quoted £700 without medication)
*Vet visit kitten maybe stuck £350 overnight stay & oxy injections
* hand rearing kittens mum has no milk / mum dies / kittens may also die
*post mortems f or kittens / mum
Feeding mum 4 times as much + more! Quality food.
*Extra vitamins for mum
*Lighting costs example lights on 24/7 nearly for mum & kittens / nightlights
*heating costs -example keep kittens warm depends on weather.
*electric costs example 2+ loads of 95% washes per day of kitten items. For 12weeks.
Weaning babies onto QUALITY food from 4weeks of age, for 8weeks or more, depends how soon they go to new homes after 12weeks of age, some may not find new homes right away.
Litter for kittens from age of 4 weeks everyday + again as above.
Extra Toys Bowls & Extra litter trays, cat trees, beds, grooming
* vet visits / medication example a kitten/mum falls ill.
*website
* camera pics for new owners & videos
Advertising fees
* registration fees to club memberships
*courses
Mobile & landline phone bills replying to responses about the adverts &*example sending too many picture messages to new owners!
*petrol from/to vets
8 extra carry cases to fit kittens in & mum.
Worming
2 x vaccinations
Microchip
Neutering kittens before they leave
Kitten packs example food/toys/info
* Printer ink pedigrees / contracts
* paper for contracts & photo paper for pedigrees
* Solicitor costs to write contract / some people may write it themselves
Registration costs
* Stamps to send paperwork, to new owners
* keeping a kitten back,
* watching kittens leave, good but sad at the same time
*replacing carpets, sofas, cat trees, toys, painting walls, any items kittens may have damaged/broke

After kittens go
*texts/phone calls/petrol if you are invited to visit them (makes my year!)
* 24/7 advice for new & seasoned owners
* show fees you may decide to show a kitten from that litter but not keep them
* taking a kitten back if they cant look after it, health testing kitten & re-homing kitten


*Stud boys, after all of that above, you may keep a stud boy, he will need extra special care as once he becomes of age he will scream/call for girls, spray/wee/poop over the house, and most likely fight boy & girl cats in the home. So he needs his own safe home, this can be a well prepared room in the house, or more than likely a house outside, heating lighting, toys, cat posts, food, litter, all again for him outside, extra attention, the house itself, the run so he can run about and maybe a harness so you can walk him everyday!
You may also buy him a new neutered friend to keep him company as he will be lonely alone, Studs are NOT for first time breeders, you should wait a long time and know the stress and time it takes to take care of a boy, and no less than 3-5queens per year to keep him happy!


********* And a breeder poem :D
What is a Breeder?
A Breeder (with a Capital "B") is one who thirsts for knowledge & never really knows it all, one who wrestles with decisions of conscience, convince, and commitment.
A Breeder is one who sacrifices personal interests, finances, time, fancy furniture, and deep pile carpeting! She gives up the dream of long luxurious cruises in favour of turning that all important show into this years "vacation"
The Breeder goes without sleep (but never without coffee/cola!) In hours spent planning a breeding or watching anxiously over the birth process, and afterwards, over every little sneeze, wiggle or cry.
The Breeder skips dinner parties because that litter is due or the babies have to be fed at eight. She disregards birth fluids and puts mouth to mouth to save a gasping newborn, literally blowing life into a tiny, helpless creature that may be the culmination of a lifetime of dreams.
A Breeder's lap is a marvellous place where generations of proud and noble champions once snoozed.
A Breeders hands are strong and firm and often soiled, but ever so gentle and sensitive to the thrusts of a kittens's wet nose.
A Breeders back and knees are usually arthritic from stooping, bending, and sitting in the birthing box, but are strong enough to enable the breeder to show the next choice kitten to a championship.
A Breeders shoulders are stooped and often heaped with abuse from competitors, but they're wide enough to support the weight of a thousand defeats and frustrations.
A Breeders arms are always able to wield a mop, support an arm full of kittens, lend a helping hand to a newcomer.
A Breeders ears are wondrous things, sometimes red (From being talked about) or strangely shaped (From being pressed against a phone receiver), Often deaf to criticism, yet always fine-tuned to the whimper of a sick kitten.
A Breeders eyes are blurred from pedigree research and sometimes blind to her own cats's faults, but they are ever so keen to competition's faults and are always searching for the perfect specimen.
A Breeders brain is foggy on faces, but it can recall pedigrees faster than an IBM Computer. It's so full of knowledge that sometimes it blows a fuse; It catalogues thousands of good boning, fine ears, and perfect heads.......And buries it in the soul, the failures and the ones that didn't turn out.
The Breeders heart is often broken, but it beats strongly with hope everlasting........And it's always in the right place!
OH, YES, THERE ARE BREEDERS, AND THERE ARE BREEDERS!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:09 am 
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Thats really good. The only thing personally for me to add would be the Neutering, Christmas, Birthday presents & cards I send :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:57 am 
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neutering is there! :D lol Oh I do christmas cards to! :lol: :oops:

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I don't know about you, but I have already spent quite a bit to keep them healthy with medicine, supplements, vitamins and pheromone diffusers (Feliway).


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:56 am 
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No sorry I ment neutering presents - ie I send them a present with their registration slips when theyve been neutered :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:00 pm 
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I think that's great, and a real eye-opener for newby breeders. :D

I think it would also be very interesting to add the cost to each of those 'items' on the list. I did this a little while ago, and going from the initial purchase of a suitable queen as a kitten, to raising said queen for a year before kittens arrive....and everything else thereafter. It costs THOUSANDS of pounds to set up correctly, and there are no guarantees that you would will get even one healthy litter back. A C-section could mean your queen may never breed again.

People should only start up breeding if they are prepared to (and able to)put thousands of pounds into it, cope with sleepless nights and high vets bills.......and do it for the sheer LOVE of it! :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:16 pm 
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Lacemoat wrote:
No sorry I ment neutering presents - ie I send them a present with their registration slips when theyve been neutered :wink:


Omg that is really cute!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:50 pm 
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lol I tend not to show the OH my 'final' adding up... :oops: dont think he would be too happy if I did!!

I fogot to add about no holidays/skipping days out etc! I missed my sisters 40th, engagment party & nearly the wedding! missed the reception due to kittens though!

part and parcel just what happens, kittens more important! :)

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 Post subject: Re: cost of breeding
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:59 am 
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Wow, you sound like the most amazing caring breeder, but as you pointed out.....there are breeders and there are breeders. If I was going to get another kitten I would travel the whole length and breadth of England to get one from you!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:11 pm 
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janebayler@btinternet.com wrote:
Wow, you sound like the most amazing caring breeder, but as you pointed out.....there are breeders and there are breeders. If I was going to get another kitten I would travel the whole length and breadth of England to get one from you!


lol thank you :) :D Im only In Essex! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: cost of breeding
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:20 pm 
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WoW !! I plan to breed and you just put everything I want to be into a thread on a forum! I am honestly sitting here crying like a baby! I only hope that one day I can be that! I want to be that! I have fallen so hard for these cats that I would do anything I can for them to better the breed and to enrich the lives of others the way BB has done for me! Even if it wears you down and you sacrifice so much I think you honestly get back ten fold maybe not money or time but love! You cant put a price on that !Thank you for writing that its has inspired me and scared the crap out of me all at the same time!

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