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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:06 am 
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My moggie has a urinary blockage. He is at the emergency vet w/a catheder now. They said he had crystals in his urine. The vet is insisting it is Felidae that caused it. I thought Felidae was supposed to be a great food, much better than SD and now he's suffering. Does anyone have a clue what I should ask the vet? I dont know anything about this. The vet is saying he'll have to go on a prescrip. diet the rest of his life.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:33 am 
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Do you have the composition of Felidea or did your vet study it ? Because if it's not a known brand vets may be suspicious but it may be good...

But if your cat got calculus it musn't be so good I guess ;), because that's what bad cat foods do !

(What's SD ?)

Your cat will have to be put on urinary food for a good while, and if you try to reverse, reverse to a good quality food such as Hills I guess. You'll have to control if this is ok for your cat, if the urinary pH is high again, you'll have to keep on with prescription food...

As for what you should ask the vet... well what do you want to know ? :lol:
You can ask if it's struvite or oxalate calculus, you can ask if your cat had to be "sondé" (put a small tube in the ureter to deblock it), if he thinks an OP is necessary to remove the calculus in the bladder...

If you want some more things about the disease (what's causing it and so on) I can answer you ;).

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am 
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SD is Science Diet. I dont think highly of its ingredients considering 2 of the first 4 ingredients are grains. Felidaes first 4 ingredients are meat. I researched a lot of foods before switching him in May and I just feel bad that maybe *I* caused him to have this issue. Of course I'll switch to the other food, I just dont like its ingredients. I have Arwen on Felidae too. Now I dont know if I should switch her. (She got fixed yesterday by the way. She's doing superb. Splashign water everywhere and getting into everything lol.)

I dont feed milk or anything mostly. I mean if Im cooking I'll slice meat off for the dog and cats and treat them for a bit while Im cutting stuff up. Is that bad?

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You can ask if it's struvite or oxalate calculus, you can ask if your cat had to be "sondé" (put a small tube in the ureter to deblock it), if he thinks an OP is necessary to remove the calculus in the bladder...
I dont know what either of those calculus is and I dont know what calculus is. I really have no clue about this problem, all I know is Rohan is in pain and I want him to feel better and get his furry butt home. :(

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:02 pm 
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Oh sorry calculus = big crystals ;). I think you can also talk of bladder stones...

They're caused by minerals that agglomerate because of an inadapted pH.
Struvites are ammoniac, magnesium and phosphate, because of a too high pH (>6,5/6,8). There the most commonly met.
Calcium oxalate are calcium and oxalate :lol: (oxalate is an acid derived from metabolism), they form when the pH is too low (near 6).

Depending on the type of stones, you'll have an acidifying diet (Hill's S/D first to dissolve them then C/D so he won't have them anymore, or the same in another brand), or a "6,3 urinary pH" diet (to avoid oxalate) which is Hills W/D I think.

Some foods are less good than others because they contain lots of minerals (which are appetizing, like salt !) and are not acidifying enough the urines. In France that's typical of "Friskies" by Purina... :evil:

PS : too bad Hills Science Diet isn't the same everywhere... in France meat is the first ingredient ! :(

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:41 pm 
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I keep hearing and reading that the single most important thing with crystals is to make sure the cat gets enough water to flush them out. Most cats on dry food diets don't drink enough. If you have to feed prescription food, you might want to ask the vet if it is also available in a canned form or mix the food with water.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:34 pm 
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Ok I'll definately ask about wet food. I feel like this is mostly my fault for putting him on this food, but somethin else too. I noticed yesterday that the water bowl was empty. I thought as I walked by it, I have to fill that, but I forgot until yesterday morning. So like a total of 12 hours or something I had forgot to fill that water. I am blaming my self thinking he needed water I was too busy to just stop right then and there and get them water. I've been beating myself up over it. Im gonna fill the sink with water everyday in the bathroom I think. Or have multiple bowls all over. I never want this to happen again. Poor Rohan :(

Also, I think the first ingredient of Hills Science Diet in USA is meat, but the next 2 maybe 3 are grains. The reason I liked Felidae was because the first 4 ingredients are all meat. I just dont see the point in all the filler grains if he can have meats. Although now it seems my opinion doesnt matter because I have to switch him anyway.

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tameeria wrote:
I keep hearing and reading that the single most important thing with crystals is to make sure the cat gets enough water to flush them out. Most cats on dry food diets don't drink enough. If you have to feed prescription food, you might want to ask the vet if it is also available in a canned form or mix the food with water.


Yes this is important but usually cats on dry food drink enough to "flush".
The problem with canned food is for the teeth... each has its advantages and drawbacks (if of the same quality).
Also, wet food is much more expensive if you add up what it costs each day...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:21 pm 
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Having multiple bowls is a good idea. Mikesch tends to treat water as something to play with and uses the water bowls to wash litter off his paws, drown his toys and kibble, and scoop the water out on the floor. I have three water bowls upstairs and three in the basement plus a drinking fountain plus a plastic bin in the shower with some water and toys for Mikesch to play with. I guess I'm paranoid about them running out of clean water, but Mikesch manages to dirty or empty three or four water sources while I'm at work or sleeping.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:31 pm 
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I went to see Rohan again this morning. He's plugged. Again. He sat on his box the whole time I was there and about a pencil lead sized amount of pee came out. They're keeping him again, cathetering him again, and doing an ultrasound. This is getting very expensive, and the doctor gave us "the talk" about if he's worth spending all this money, quality of life blah blah. We are going ahead and still trying to fix it. He said if there is a big enough crystal he can not pass they'll have to open him up. We'll go ahead and do that too. But I just can not even imagine what this poor kitty is goin through. He was still his stinker self this morning, but very testy and crabby. His testicles have shrunk to near nothing and I asked why and the vet said "its all related". I've cried so much my eyes burn and I have a headache. I can not imagine life without him. He has to get better.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:23 pm 
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His ultrasound showed nothing, and they easily expressed his bladder. They wanted us to watch him over the weekend So, he's home. He's vomited a huge amount, but they say thats normal. He's neutered now as well. Arwen who has been testy with him is being very nice to him. They smelled each other and Rohan is just laying on the floor. He is incredibly skinny, but I guess thats to be expected. He's very drugged up so he walks sideways and kinda looks drunk I guess. But he is home, hopefully for good.

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Hope he'll be all right... ;)

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Aww, good luck to the poor fella, I hope he feels better soon!


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:01 pm 
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hi, my old moggy boy jarvis (now passed on) suffered with crystals.

he had to go & have them flushed twice & was cathetered & had to stay over at the vets for a few days both times. he looked very poorly & i nearly lost him on one of the occasions...it just took all the life out of him.

there is hope tho, he recovered from it, after changing to a dry food specificlly for urinary needs. although the vets recommended wet food to me, i went against their recommendations & got the high quality urinary food instead. it has less minerals (salts etc) than usual dry foods, which means it is less likely to build up into crystals.

my jarvis finally succumbed to cancer in the end, nothing to do with the crystals or his diet. so don't give up on rohan, hang in there & i hope he is ok.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:52 pm 
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Im sorry to hear about jarvis. I cant imagine how difficult it will be when he does go.

Rohan is peeing blood, but still peeing. The vet says they expected him to pee blood. He threw up all over this morning after his meds and is really lethargic. The vet is insisting it is ok since he just got fixed and he's been really sick. Hubby and I decided if he is the same in the morning we will go back and insist that they find why he's bleeding. It is red blood so I know it is new. The vet says there was blood in his urine when they flushed him, but I thought that blood would be brown if that is what is coming out?

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