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 Post subject: Test Results Are In..
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:36 pm 
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Well, for those who have been following my posts in the healthcare section, they know that Kiara hasn't been herself. Took her back to the vet on Monday and unfortunately, the results are in and she's been diagnosed with wet FIP at the ripe age of 4 months. First bengal I've had, I've enjoyed a whopping 1.5 months with her and this comes about. Just wanted to let everyone know and to keep us in your mind. Any positive thoughts sent our way will be very much appreciated right now...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:51 pm 
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Oh dear that is awful. :(

So sorry for your little baby and for you too. Sending you hugs.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:15 am 
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What tests were done?

Misdiagnosis of FIP is more common than you would think! There are people here who have had FIP diagnosed and the cats have recovered!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:29 am 
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Louise-paisley wrote:
What tests were done?


It looks like the FIP PCR test was done


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:21 am 
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That's terrible! I'm so sorry you have a sick kitty on your hands. It is never fun hearing that your pets are sick. I hope it was just a mistake and that she is just fine!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:37 am 
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I'm very sorry.
Its so hard when a pet is ill. Thinking of you


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Kimmie829 wrote:
Louise-paisley wrote:
What tests were done?


It looks like the FIP PCR test was done


Is that a test for FIP? I thought it tested for the Corona Virus (which is what mutates and causes FIP in some cases).

I'm sure Louise will be back to correct me :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:40 am 
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I'm so sorry for you :(

Have you tested for PK-Def? This can be mistaken for FIP, especially in some blood-tests.
Does he have fluid in his abdomen?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:07 pm 
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Didong wrote:
I'm so sorry for you :(

Have you tested for PK-Def? This can be mistaken for FIP, especially in some blood-tests.
Does he have fluid in his abdomen?


Yes, unfortunately she does. However we started her on some immunosuppressants and it seems to be getting better, she's gaining some energy, using the litterbox again (thank god) and it would appear to me that the fluid is decreasing however it's only been one day so its a little early to tell. We haven't tested for PK-Def. I'm taking her to get a second opinion from a family friend who happens to be a vet sometime this weekend

lollo2304 wrote:
Kimmie829 wrote:
Louise-paisley wrote:
What tests were done?


It looks like the FIP PCR test was done


Is that a test for FIP?


I believe so.. her results came back and it said positive for FIP


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:15 am 
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Hi Kim,

All my thoughts are with you. I've been living with FIP in my house for the last 5 weeks: My dear 8mo Simba was put to sleep on Thursday because of Wet-form FIP.

I'll probably post about it in the next few days.

Get your vet reading on treatment from Dr Addie's website. She was very helpful to me and my vet and helping with the protocol. We went for steroid (+ antibiotics) but also Interferon Gamma at fairly high doses (5M every day for a 4 days then every other day). This seemed to improve things in the first 2/3 weeks and we had him drained. Sadly, things then became worst again with his tummy ballooning and him loosing energy. We tried adding Cimetidine to the mix but it had no effect or it was too late.

Easy to do and recommended by Dr Addie is increasing Omega 3 in the diet (we squeezed half a human capsule on fishy treats) as well as red meat (for the arginine) as this boosts the immune system. By far the easiest part of the treatment to give lots of lean mince!

Good luck to you and your kitty! Keep her happy!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:13 am 
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There is no FIP PCR test in existence anywhere on the planet.

There is no single test which can diagnose FIP at all, and PCR tests will only confirm the presence of corona virus which is present in probably 40% of cats anyway.

The only way to be absolutely sure FIP is the problem is via post mortem examination which does not help you at this point.

However, be aware that more cats are put to sleep for a diagnosis than for FIP. Wet FIP is always fatal, they do not recover from it, but there are quite a few people who have cats which HAVE - or rather they have recovered from something that was not actually the FIP diagnosed!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:40 am 
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Actually, they can determine if a cat has FIP before they die. It's done more easily in cats who have the "wet" version of the virus--which is what it seems that your cat has. My vet thinks that my cat has the dry version--which unfortunately is not so easy to diagnose before death. They could confirm it if they were to do surgeries to biopsy the granulomas. But that is costly and will only confirm whether or not he has it. If it could help cure it, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But we all know that's not going to happen.

According to peteducation.com "The only way to be absolutely sure of an FIPV infection is to biopsy affected tissues and have them examined by a veterinary pathologist. As a result, most often the diagnosis is made after the cat has died, a postmortem examination has been performed and tissues have been examined." However, if you read further, there are ways to diagnose FIP, but they are expensive and extensive, especially if your feline has the dry version.

If they text for the corona virus itself (FCoV), it is likely that it will come up as a false positive or false negative. But there are tests that can confirm it.



Here is the How is it diagnosed? excerpt:

When a cat is exposed to FCoV, four things can happen, depending on a number of factors including age, health status, and strength of the cat's cellular immune system. The strain and dose of the virus can also influence the outcome.

Mammals' immune systems can be divided into two parts: the antibody-producing part, and the part in which cells kill invaders through direct contact or chemicals they produce. It is this second part of the immune system, the cellular immune system which plays a very important role in determining the result of exposure to FCoV.

If a cat's cellular immunity is very strong, the cat can usually fight off the infection.

If a cat's cellular immunity is moderately strong, the cat may be unable to kill all the virus, but is able to keep it in check. This results in a "latent" infection. If the cat is severely stressed or becomes ill from other diseases, the latent infection can be reactivated and the cat can develop FIP.

If a cat's cellular immunity is relatively weak, the virus continues to multiply slowly, FIPV becomes the predominant virus and FIP develops. In this form of disease, called "dry FIP" nodular lesions called granulomas slowly develop in one or multiple places in the body.

If the cellular immune system is very weak, the virus can multiply virtually uncontrolled. A "wet" form of FIP develops. In this form, large amounts of fluid accumulate in the chest and abdomen due to damage to blood vessels and subsequent leaking of fluid and protein into the surrounding tissues.

The damage to the body from FIPV is not so much due to the virus itself, but to the body's response to it. Complexes of FIPV and antibodies the cat produces against it are deposited on the walls of blood vessels. Macrophages, which are cells that eat cellular debris and foreign material, consume the virus and the virus replicates inside these cells. These macrophages are also deposited along blood vessels and in tissues. When they accumulate in large numbers they can form granulomas.

Works Cited:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... 16&aid=212



Good luck with everything! We're still hoping that the doctors' hunches are wrong, but only time will tell. :-)[/i]


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:42 am 
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Kimmie,

I'm so sorry to hear your story :(

I don't know an awful lot about the FIP virus but I just hope she can be comfortable and get better soon.

If you need any support feel free to message me.

Big Hugs xxx


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:42 pm 
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Louise-paisley wrote:
There is no single test which can diagnose FIP at all, and PCR tests will only confirm the presence of corona virus which is present in probably 40% of cats anyway.


If a vet is making a diagnosis on the result of a PCR test it would be very possible to be a misdiagnosis as occurs quite often.

The following link gives a diagnosis worksheet..

http://www.dr-addie.com/downloads/FIPdi ... wchart.pdf

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