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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 1:46 pm 
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Hello Everyone-

Our Bengal, Roscoe, lived with TF for over a year at the cattery where he was a stud. We rescued him when the breeder had given up and was about to euthanize him.
Thanks to this forum and other sources we finally found out about TF, and got him diagnosed and treated. We did everything by the book. However, he continued to have loose stools after we absolutely he no longer had the infection.

This post is for people with Bengals that continue to have loose stool after TF treatment.

According to the nutritionist I worked with at Royal Canin, in some cases the TF parasite may cause significant damage to the cats colon, which may take a substantial amount of time to heal. She said it might be as long as a year or two. She ended up being right - it took our Bengal 1.5 years to get firm stools again. During this time we test, literally, 40 different diets. I'll save you some time and tell you what worked.

These recommendations were based with the help of Royal Canin veternarians and nutritionalists. THANK YOU TO ROYAL CANIN!

Short-term treatment:

This works great immediately after RDZ to get firm stools, but is not an acceptable long-term diet. This is a common remedy for dogs and cats. Give the cat boiled chicken (shredded) with steamed white rice and mix 1 tablespoon of canned pumpkin. The pumpkin must be 100%, with no sugar or additives. This is guaranteed to get some firm poo immediately.

Long term diets:

#1 Choice: Royal Canin Intense Hairball 34: This formula has very high quality fiber, very high fiber content. This worked great for our Bengal, and our other cats liked it too.

#2 Choice: Royal Canin Indoor Light 40: This formula is similar to the hairball, with slightly lower fiber content. This formula is a more acceptable long-term diet.

So, if your TF Bengal is still a little runny, try any of these foods out. I promise they will make a difference. Try this first before wasting time and money on other diets.

I hope this helps someone out there!

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 5:46 pm 
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Gosh....you must be on commission! :shock: :lol:

I am so pleased this worked for your boy.
Thanks for the info. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:38 pm 
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hehe - nope - not on commission.
Believe me, I'd take it if they offered. We're going broke buying Royal Canin for our 4 cats! :D

I do, however, like to spread the word when I can. I owe them a lot for taking the time to assist with our Bengal and figure out what would work. I do believe that their food is top quality. Our other cats really like it and they are all very healthy. It also makes the litter box less stinky (which helps justify the cost for sure!).

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:55 pm 
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I would also add that a high quality raw diet will also be good for post TF bengals (or other cats). There is far less waste than with commercial diets.

Glad your boy found a decent home and is now fully recovered.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 10:06 pm 
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yeah, we actually tried the raw diet in our trials with Roscoe... He sure did love eating it, but it had disastrous consequences...didn't help one bit.

At least RC uses quality proteins as their main ingredient versus corn and other grains found in most cat food.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 10:39 pm 
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We are currently going through TF and our Vet recomended HIlls WD which seems to do the trick firming up poos even before starting RDZ.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 10:50 pm 
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Yep, we tried WD - didn't help at all.

Trust me...we tried literally every type of food under the sun. It would be a very long list if I tried to think of everything we tried.

I suppose my post should have said 'If nothing else has worked....try this' =)

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:57 am 
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bradg wrote:
yeah, we actually tried the raw diet in our trials with Roscoe... He sure did love eating it, but it had disastrous consequences...didn't help one bit.

At least RC uses quality proteins as their main ingredient versus corn and other grains found in most cat food.


I wasn't going to say anything,but you keep pushing it so I will...

Royal Canin Intense Hairball 34:

Chicken meal, corn gluten meal, brown rice, corn, chicken fat, natural chicken flavor, rice hulls

Royal Canin Indoor Light 40:

Chicken, chicken meal, corn gluten meal, rice flour, brewers rice, ground yellow corn.

I think the ingredients kind of speak for themselves, but I'll make the observation that they both seem to contain an awful lot of corn, and the hairball one in particular would objectively seem to be surprisingly lacking in high quality proteins (or even low quality proteins for that matter). Protein makes up only 34% of that food, which is quite low.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:17 am 
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Also a supporter of Canin Hairball. Having sat up with Little Tess vomiting for 36 hours (the two nights before I was due to fly to the UK), and her now having much better digestion - I don't care what it's got in it - as long as it goes through okay!

It's not her main diet, but a supplement to - and she loves it.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:41 pm 
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I have read that it is the high fibre content of foods that counteracts the effects of the TF and improves the consistency of the stool.
Therefore it matters little where the high fibre content comes from ie some raw diets or some commercial cat food.
Bradg has had good effects form using RC food, others have had good effects from using raw diets.
As chronic diarrhoea is uncomfortable for the cat and the constant intestinal hurry and leakage of nutrients is not good for its health, then any diet that alleviates the symptoms is going to benefit the cat. So any recommendation from someone who has "been there, done that" should perhaps be tried and not dismissed out of hand.
Of course diet will not cure TF, medication is needed, but just like pain killers will not cure a broken leg, the patient will thank you a lot for the relief from pain.

Any potential kitten owner whose breeder is recommending such diets needs to be aware that some breeders will advocate raw or specialised foods like hairball control, not because they feel their cats and kittens are better on them but because they mask the symptoms of TF and other gut parasites. Once home with their new owners the problems in the kitten can then become apparent.

Of course specialised diets are needed at times but young healthy kittens should probably be on either normal kitten or normal adult food or a raw food diet because the breeder has researched it properly, not because other foods "do not agree with them".

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:46 pm 
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bradg wrote:
yeah, we actually tried the raw diet in our trials with Roscoe... He sure did love eating it, but it had disastrous consequences...didn't help one bit.

At least RC uses quality proteins as their main ingredient versus corn and other grains found in most cat food.


Like Brian I to was not going to bother commenting but I am getting bored with this constant hyping of crap food, then you have the cheek to suggest raw is no good!!!

I do not know of a single cat that has not thrived on a decent raw recipe, my Yuki was shitting through the eye of a needle with every commercial preparation known to man but within 24 hours of switching to raw his output was perfect and pretty much every single person who has moved to a raw diet I know of has had the same reaction!

The absolute worst type of food anyone can feed a cat is dry. It is severely lacking in moisture which is bad enough, but the RC foods you are pushing also feature a piss poor ingredient list - and corn which features high on the list is RESPONSIBLE for many bowel problems NOT A CURE.

In your other equally hyping post you knock Whiskas! Let me educate you, ANY WET FOOD is much better than ANY DRY FOOD so if whiskas is like feeding your cat just McDonalds your beloved RC is like feeding the rotting crap in the McDonalds waste bin!

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:05 pm 
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I do not think we should get into an emotional debate about which food is best, there is little scientific evidence to suggest that in the long term and as regards the longevity of our pets that one food is preferential to another, whatever its claims may be.

The raw regime will always be defended and be proposed as being best. However, "raw feeding" encompasses a huge diversity of quality. From those who lob in the odd bit of chicken or road kill, to those who are meticulous in the ingredients they feed.
In the wild, many factors play a role, longevity may in fact be to the detriment of a species, with older cats competing for survival and reducing the numbers of more fertile individuals. A wild diet may in fact work to reduce the lifespan of individuals for the greater good, so perhaps is one of the worst models to base anything on.

The fads for "natural" or "fruit and veg" diets or "high meat content" diets which in reality are often high offal diets may not exactly be wonderful either.
Even meticulous feeders do not really know what they are doing to their particular cats, the cat may look well but is craving nutrients, is overdosed with minerals/vitamins or is festering a chronic nutritional deficiency which will reduce its lifespan, one cat may have all its needs met whereas another cat may be severely lacking

We do not know what is the best for a cat, so slagging off others for their choice of foods is not helpful.
It may turn out to be, that what, by many, is considered to be the worst food in the world, is exactly what cats need to live a long and healthy life.
The point I am making is that we all try and feed what we think is best, saying one food is crap whilst the other is the beesknees is not good and not often based on pure fact.

Bradg found that the RC in the circumstance he found himself in was the best for ridding his cats of the symptoms of TF. Those are his findings and who are we to say it is untrue, or to slag him off for his choice or to dissuade others who may in fact be helped immensely by that revelation.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 3:04 pm 
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junglerose wrote:
Therefore it matters little where the high fibre content comes from ie some raw diets or some commercial cat food.
Bradg has had good effects form using RC food, others have had good effects from using raw diets.
As chronic diarrhoea is uncomfortable for the cat and the constant intestinal hurry and leakage of nutrients is not good for its health, then any diet that alleviates the symptoms is going to benefit the cat. So any recommendation from someone who has "been there, done that" should perhaps be tried and not dismissed out of hand.
Of course diet will not cure TF, medication is needed, but just like pain killers will not cure a broken leg, the patient will thank you a lot for the relief from pain.


Oh I'm not disputing that a high fiber diet would help firm up stools. That is rather obvious. But there are several obvious problems with his specific recommendation:

1. The claim about how this food is so good because it contains low corn. In fact, it is extremely high in corn (and grain in general) relative to other food in its price range.

2. The claim that it contains lots of high quality protein. In fact, it contains little protein at all relative to other food in its price range, and the only protein that hairball stuff has is in the "chicken meal". Certainly not what one would consider "high quality".

3. Now the fiber thing.... Corn and rice are actually pretty poor sources of fiber. They are only "high" in fiber relative to meat which contains no fiber at all. They both have about a 10-1 ratio of carbohydrates to fiber, meaning you've got to give your cats tons of carbohydrates to achieve much fiber. I don't think that anybody could say with a straight face that a high carbohydrate diet is good for cats. Much better would be something like adding mashed pumpkin to wet food (which is a common recommendation from vets). Pumpkin has about a 4-1 ratio, much better.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:09 pm 
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brianj12 wrote:
Oh I'm not disputing that a high fiber diet would help firm up stools. That is rather obvious.

Not really, it can depend on the quality and composition of the fibre and the cause of the diarrhoea.

The fact that this diet seemed to work for Bradg makes it worth trying for anyone in that position IMO, is that not preferable to cats having chronic diarrhoea?
Or would it be better for the cat to get an allegedly "higher quality" food and continue its watery diarrhoea and incontinence?

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I would just like to point out that after treating for TF again in my cattery I began researching the TF subject some more. Yes raw food can work but not always, I was lucky with this the first time. Of course 2 years had passed since I first dealt with it & there have been advancements in TF treatment & post treating. Infact if you google TF Wikipedia has a page which reccommends Royal Canin Hairball 34 & Royal Canin Indoor Light 40. After treatment I started adding Hairball 34 as TF has a major effect on the gutt as does RDZ so my thoughts were every little helps. I have been re-testing & so far all have been negative but I will carry on until I have built up a fair amount of negative tests. I have also decided that twice a year I will be doing checks on TF and perhaps even full fecals as I imagine they may just be some other surprises!

Just wanted to add my 5 eggs worth & yes I agree Elaine that some breeders will reccommend diets such as hairball as they do mask the symptoms of TF. Please also remember that not all diarrhea is TF as there may be other reasons but personally I do feel that this is a parasite found in most catteries & without proper testing you will not know!

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