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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:11 pm 
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I just wanted to ask a question about bite.

I have found 2 critiques on my bengal in one he is described as having a level bite but in the other a scissored bite - obviously I know different judges see different things but if his bite is scissored - as in the later critique is this a problem for his show career?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:27 pm 
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It could be. GCCF : Depends on the judge doing the judging. Some are mouth fixated and look for over/undershot or scissor bites. Some even confuse an overshot for a scissor. I remember a certain judges critique stating an overshot and, two weeks later at another show, the same judge and the same cat had a critique of a scissor bite. Go figure. These judges will penalise for this. Other judges, if the o/u or scissor is a very mild case tend to overlook it. With TICA, I couldn't say as nobody has broached this before.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:08 pm 
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Thanks for replying - I have been doing a bit of research about this and have found the following information:

A correct alignment of the teeth is called a "scissor bite". When the teeth are not placed correctly, we speak of "malocclusion" and then the alignment is for example named overbite, underbite, level bite or crossbite.

Scissor bite: the lower jaw should always be slightly smaller then the upper jaw. The ideal set of teeth consists of incisors in the upper and lower jaw that fit exactly over each other, and molars that fit on top of each other.
Overbite: the incisors of the lower jaw are placed to far behind the incisors of the upper jaw.
Underbite: the incisors of the lower jaw are placed in front of the incisors of the upper jaw.
Level bite: the incisors are place on top of each other, instead of fitting correctly over each other.
Cross bite: or 'wry bite' or 'wry mouth', this means that the left- and right half of the jaw are not of the same length.

If the correct alignment of teeth is as said above then how can you penalise for having this?

I really am confused.

The exact wording on his critique was "firm chin, but bite scissored"


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:19 pm 
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I dont think they call this so-called "fault" by its correct name. We had a kitten that had perfect alignment with his kitten teeth. His adult front top came through over his baby teeth. This made his adult front top teeth slightly "bucked" and one judge marked him as scissor bite. Gradually the front teeth settled into place after his baby teeth had fallen out. This young male already had numerous red rosettes to his name! I spoke to another judge about this saying exactly the same as your post that the correct alignment is scissor and she had a look at his teeth. This judge's comment was that the other judge was talking through her backside.

Some you win, some you lose.

I've seen whited tummied Bengals get penalised for lockets!

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What's lockets? This showing buisness sounds very complicated but i am interested in learning.
Hats off to all of you who show.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:53 am 
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Lockets are white patches with no spotting usually seen on the chest, abdomen or in the groin. Not to be mistaken for a white chin that extends towards the chest or a white tummy and inner side of the legs. Whited tummies have spots.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:05 pm 
what are points? very nice points, i must be dumb :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:31 pm 
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1. On the cats the points are the ears, tail, feet

2. In showing, each part of the cat gets a maximum number of points that the judges give according the breed standard

For example, here is the judging criteria GCCF 1997 for a brown spotted bengal


SCALE OF POINTS
WITHHOLD ALL AWARDS FOR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOUR

Head and Neck ………….…15
Ears … …….....05
Eye Shape and Colour …………….05
Body …………… 20
Legs and Paws …………….10
Tail ……….……05
Coat Texture …………….10
Coat Colour …………….10
Pattern and Contrast ………….…20

Total 100

Withhold Certificates and First Prizes in Kitten Open Classes for:
1. Long, rough or coarse coat
2. Distinctly ticked coat
3. Tail tip not the required colour
4. Whip tail
5. Stomach not spotted
6. Incorrect paw pad colour
7. Oriental head type, e.g. straight profile, large flared ears
8. Cobby or Abyssinian, Burmese or Oriental body type
9. White patches or spots other than ocelli
10. Any other defect as listed in the preface to the GCCF SOP booklet

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:22 pm 
thank you :lol:


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