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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:46 pm 
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We are moving to US from UK and taking our beautiful cats with us. Our lovely breeders have just procured TICA certificates for us as US requires bengals to be F5 and above for admitting into US.
We are in a process of looking at how to apply for permission. Our TICA pedigree lists both as SBT and their parents as SBT mum and dad both.

Kalinda's grandparents are SBT + CSEXP and the other couple CSSR both
Nina's are CSSR + SBT and the other couple SBT both

Am I right in thinking that makes them at least F5?

(This might be wrong but am I right in thinking that if you breed at least F4 with F4 (SBT+SBT) you get F5)


Thanks for any help


Also has anyone had experience in doing this process at all. If we can't bring them with us we need to decline to go as I would rather die than go without them :(

Martina, xxx



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:12 pm 
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You are correct in assuming your cats are at least F5. SBT is at least F4. F4 x F4 = F5. So your cats are good.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:32 am 
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Kyenta1 wrote:
You are correct in assuming your cats are at least F5. SBT is at least F4. F4 x F4 = F5. So your cats are good.


Yey, thank you so much, phew. Great news. :mrgreen:

I guess I need to sort out the forms now...


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:32 pm 
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Do you have a certified pedigree for your cat? Know that in my research in finding the F generations of cats, I have found mistakes. F3's that were given SBT status in a database. If you know the pedigreed name of your cat or the parents, I can research and see if I can find out the exact F generation of your cat.

I absolutely dread the thought of moving with my bengal and we would not be changing countries. It is so important that you make sure to have all the correct paperwork in place. Bengals were confiscated coming from the UK to the US by the US Fish and Wildlife because the paperwork was not done correctly. The owners are desperate to get the cats, but they are being denied. Breeding cats are often flown around the world and I think as long as it's done with all the t's crossed and the i' dotted, you are okay.

You might want to check with a breeder in the US that ships internationally and see all the requirements, especially to the UK. Or, check with a UK breeder and see what is required to bring in a cat from the US. With the internet, it's easy to find them and they always have a "contact us" button.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:52 am 
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Sherry wrote:
Do you have a certified pedigree for your cat? Know that in my research in finding the F generations of cats, I have found mistakes. F3's that were given SBT status in a database. If you know the pedigreed name of your cat or the parents, I can research and see if I can find out the exact F generation of your cat.

I absolutely dread the thought of moving with my bengal and we would not be changing countries. It is so important that you make sure to have all the correct paperwork in place. Bengals were confiscated coming from the UK to the US by the US Fish and Wildlife because the paperwork was not done correctly. The owners are desperate to get the cats, but they are being denied. Breeding cats are often flown around the world and I think as long as it's done with all the t's crossed and the i' dotted, you are okay.

You might want to check with a breeder in the US that ships internationally and see all the requirements, especially to the UK. Or, check with a UK breeder and see what is required to bring in a cat from the US. With the internet, it's easy to find them and they always have a "contact us" button.


Dear Sherry

Thank you so much, I will make sure to have the right paperwork. I have been issued the pedigree by TICA, so presume it is OK and checked. Nina is called Under pressure and Kalinda Miss Marple. Would there be another database? My lovely breeders applied for pedigrees for them so that was one less worry.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:55 pm 
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Are your cats microchipped? Do they have registration papers, not just pedigree papers? Make sure you have all your ducks in a row.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:25 pm 
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I just posted in your other topic. My database does not have your kitties, so getting a copy of their pedigree would really help me out and I can tell you exactly which generation your kitties are. If you read my post, I've posted excerpts from the law and comments from the director of Animal Control for King County. I'm thinking an F4 bengal hybrid is considered a domestic cat and allowed in Seattle.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:13 pm 
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Sherry wrote:
I just posted in your other topic. My database does not have your kitties, so getting a copy of their pedigree would really help me out and I can tell you exactly which generation your kitties are. If you read my post, I've posted excerpts from the law and comments from the director of Animal Control for King County. I'm thinking an F4 bengal hybrid is considered a domestic cat and allowed in Seattle.


Thank you, I saw it, and sent you a PM. Thank you for all your help, xx


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:19 pm 
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The only thing I see with the pedigrees is the cat's parents that TICA claims are "unavailable." Thus, there is no way, based on the pedigree, to tell if the parents are ALCs (they are not). Here is the link to the pedigree of Kezmari Diwali Dancer that appears on both of your babies' pedigrees:

http://www.bengalpedigrees.com/showone. ... SEXP415055

The Bengal-Data.com database confirms this cat is an F7.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:49 pm 
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Sherry wrote:
The only thing I see with the pedigrees is the cat's parents that TICA claims are "unavailable." Thus, there is no way, based on the pedigree, to tell if the parents are ALCs (they are not). Here is the link to the pedigree of Kezmari Diwali Dancer that appears on both of your babies' pedigrees:

http://www.bengalpedigrees.com/showone. ... SEXP415055

The Bengal-Data.com database confirms this cat is an F7.


Thank you. Should I register my girls somewhere else in order to show they are, as you kindly calculated for me, F8?
As they were pets and I never bothered with a pedigree until now, I am new to this whole thing.

P.S. Thanks Sherry, if you are ever in seattle, I am buying you a drink/coffee/muffin or all three ;)
Martina, xxx


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:03 pm 
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I don't know how much trouble you may have -- mainly because YOU will be accompanying your pets into the US, correct? You are not shipping them over separately. You will go through customs together and can answer any questions you may be asked. I believe as long as you have their documentation and the permit and paperwork required by the US Fish and Wildlife, you will probably be fine.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:28 am 
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Sherry wrote:
I don't know how much trouble you may have -- mainly because YOU will be accompanying your pets into the US, correct? You are not shipping them over separately. You will go through customs together and can answer any questions you may be asked. I believe as long as you have their documentation and the permit and paperwork required by the US Fish and Wildlife, you will probably be fine.


Yes we will be on the same flight and I will now throw myself into this. Will get my vet to write a letter saying they were treated there from kittenhood and never lashed out at anyone, they may also confirm the fact they look totally domestic, apart from Nini's leopard onesie :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:00 pm 
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The issue I'm finding is that the requirements and permitting are complicated. The article I saw regarding these three bengals that have been confiscated states the documentation was fine, but the issue was with an EG cat in their pedigree that they had problems with. You know .. it may totally depend on the person in Seattle that will be greeting you when you land. And I honestly don't know what has gone on internally at the Fish and Wildlife -- such as a memo on bengals. I know you will be holding your breath until you can get them out of the airport and on their way to their new home. I truly hope all goes well for you. It seems they are "vetting" cats more closely than potential terrorists coming over to the US. Geez! Good luck.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:49 pm 
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Based on what I have heard about from hybrid owners, it is a very good idea to familiarize yourself with the local codes for the state and city where you and the cats will be residing. There is very little uniformity in how animals are regulated in the US, because it is left to the local jurisdictions. There have been cases where local activists have gotten some breeds suddenly classified as dangerous or prohibited, so we all need to stay on top of that and be ready to provide input as a citizen.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:05 pm 
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LadyKay, even the ordinances and laws are confusing and conflicting! You honestly need a lawyer to interpret them.


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