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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:54 am 
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Hey everyone,

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My breeder previously had Miko on the following diet:
-wet food OR boiled unseasoned chicken in the morning and night
-dampened dry food (raw instinct grain free chicken kibble) left out for duration of the day (as much as the kittens wanted)

I have read previously that it isn't good to mix wet with dry food because of the possibility of bacterial blooms which could cause problems for Miko. I looked that up because I wanted to find a way to get Miko eating the dry food, and I had mixed the wet with dry once (before doing research and finding out its no good).

I talked to my breeder about this too and they said that Miko really prefers the dry food completely dampened, and I was given instructions to add some water to the dry food in the dish, wait 5-7 minutes, then mix it around to make sure its all mixed well and all dampened evenly. The kibble is normally hard, but in its dampened state, its still a little hard but mostly soft and soggy on the outside. This is the only way Miko will touch the dry food right now.

My question is: Is it okay to leave the dampened dry kibble out in a dish for Miko to eat? Will it develop a lot of bacteria and make Miko sick? I will have to leave kibble out for him when Im at work, and I would put it down at 8 AM before I leave, and there would not be a refill until 2-4pm when my mom gets home.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:40 am 
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MWB wrote:
I have read previously that it isn't good to mix wet with dry food because of the possibility of bacterial blooms which could cause problems for Miko.


That's my understanding as well, I wouldn't recommend doing it.

I rarely think it's as simple as "doesn't like dry food" though. How many brands and flavors have you tried? My guess is that there are flavors out there that he would eat (without wetting it). My recommendation would be to find one of the small pet food stores, go there, and explain that you have a picky kitten, and need to try some dry food for him. Many places will be very accommodating (giving your free samples). Also, around here, I know places that sell many dry foods in very small bags (like 5 or 6 meals worth) for a few dollars.

It's a pain in the rear to go through this, but hopefully you come out of it with 3-4 foods that he will eat that meet your nutritional criteria.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:11 am 
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brianj12 wrote:
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I have read previously that it isn't good to mix wet with dry food because of the possibility of bacterial blooms which could cause problems for Miko.


That's my understanding as well, I wouldn't recommend doing it.

I rarely think it's as simple as "doesn't like dry food" though. How many brands and flavors have you tried? My guess is that there are flavors out there that he would eat (without wetting it). My recommendation would be to find one of the small pet food stores, go there, and explain that you have a picky kitten, and need to try some dry food for him. Many places will be very accommodating (giving your free samples). Also, around here, I know places that sell many dry foods in very small bags (like 5 or 6 meals worth) for a few dollars.

It's a pain in the rear to go through this, but hopefully you come out of it with 3-4 foods that he will eat that meet your nutritional criteria.


Okay Brian I guess I will have to find a different dry food that he will eat. I actually had my eye on a few of the more "gourmet" brands of dry and wet food, but since I wanted to keep him on the same diet as the breeder, I didn't look into it too much.

Anyone have any experience with Orijen or Blackwood dry food? Those are the two I can find easiest right now and they were approved on the cat food review link that Jill posted a while back. Orijen I can actually buy in a store nearby, but Blackwood I'd have to order online.

Also, anyone have any suggestions on a brand/type of treats for a kitten who is picky about their dry food? Or just any high quality treats that you have found success with?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:14 am 
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MWB wrote:
Anyone have any experience with Orijen or Blackwood dry food? Those are the two I can find easiest right now and they were approved on the cat food review link that Jill posted a while back. Orijen I can actually buy in a store nearby, but Blackwood I'd have to order online.

Also, anyone have any suggestions on a brand/type of treats for a kitten who is picky about their dry food? Or just any high quality treats that you have found success with?


Orijen is regarded as pretty high quality stuff. The downside to Orijen is that they throw together all sorts of proteins (meats) into each formulation (including fish). The bad part about that is that if your kitten doesn't have a real strong stomach, Orijen may upset is tummy (but it's worth a try! And I know that Orijen can be bought in the tiny bag sizes).

I don't have any experience with Blackwood (never heard of it). But looking at the nutritional info, I'm not that impressed.

For treats, it's best to just stick with treats that are simply meat... nothing else. Most pet food stores now sell freeze dried meat treats, like chicken, salmon, turkey, tuna etc. Mine also enjoy deli turkey meat :cool: Although enjoy is a bit of an understatement.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:41 am 
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brianj12 wrote:
MWB wrote:
Anyone have any experience with Orijen or Blackwood dry food? Those are the two I can find easiest right now and they were approved on the cat food review link that Jill posted a while back. Orijen I can actually buy in a store nearby, but Blackwood I'd have to order online.

Also, anyone have any suggestions on a brand/type of treats for a kitten who is picky about their dry food? Or just any high quality treats that you have found success with?


Orijen is regarded as pretty high quality stuff. The downside to Orijen is that they throw together all sorts of proteins (meats) into each formulation (including fish). The bad part about that is that if your kitten doesn't have a real strong stomach, Orijen may upset is tummy (but it's worth a try! And I know that Orijen can be bought in the tiny bag sizes).

I don't have any experience with Blackwood (never heard of it). But looking at the nutritional info, I'm not that impressed.

For treats, it's best to just stick with treats that are simply meat... nothing else. Most pet food stores now sell freeze dried meat treats, like chicken, salmon, turkey, tuna etc. Mine also enjoy deli turkey meat :cool: Although enjoy is a bit of an understatement.


Haha okay perfect. I'll give Orijen a try, the ingredients are just fantastic. Hopefully Miko can stomach it :smile:

Gotcha on the freeze-dried meat treats. Theres not a huge selection at our Petsmart where I am but maybe I just wasnt looking in the right section. I bought these Blue Wilderness turkey treats today just to try b/c they were on sale and Miko showed zero interest lol.

Anyways thanks for the info!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:20 am 
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MWB wrote:
Gotcha on the freeze-dried meat treats. Theres not a huge selection at our Petsmart where I am but maybe I just wasnt looking in the right section. I bought these Blue Wilderness turkey treats today just to try b/c they were on sale and Miko showed zero interest lol.

Anyways thanks for the info!


The petsmart around where I live has a pretty good variety of freeze dried treats. Like these:
http://www.petsmart.com/cat/food-and-he ... gid=200008


Mine also enjoy these too (which have pretty good ingredients):
http://www.petsmart.com/cat/food-and-he ... gid=200008

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:53 pm 
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If you read the feeding directions on dry food, many will have instructions for kittens with wetting the dry food. I can remember commercials for a dog food where they added water and it made gravy! Naturally, you want the cat to eat the food immediately and not let it sit as it will just get extremely soggy and yucky! Make sure you're feeding a high quality cat food that is for kittens since they require special nutrients as they are growling at an alarming rate.

It may take some time for you to hit on the foods your kitty will enjoy eating! So, you may be throwing some stuff away. This is why I purchase only two cans of any new food. If mine doesn't like it within 2 cans, it goes off my "to buy later" list.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:36 pm 
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Sherry wrote:
If you read the feeding directions on dry food, many will have instructions for kittens with wetting the dry food. I can remember commercials for a dog food where they added water and it made gravy! Naturally, you want the cat to eat the food immediately and not let it sit as it will just get extremely soggy and yucky!


Yea, but that's the thing... to me 100% of the point of feeding dry food at all is the fact that you can leave it out. If you are wetting it down with the expectation that he'll eat it immediately and in one sitting, and then take it away, then you might as well just serve canned or raw food since it's much better for him nutritionally anyway (good wet foods don't have all the "filler" like grains and vegetables and fruits that cats really don't need).

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:46 pm 
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Brian, I believe the wetting instructions are basically for kittens who still have baby teeth -- I'm guessing, actually -- what do I really know? There are a multitude of wet foods out there, so the choices are great! I definitely don't wet down Raiden's dry food as he gets a few cans of wet a day. However, I do know that feeding dry is much less expensive for some people and adding a little water makes it a moist food for their kitty.


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Thanks for the info you two!

And yes, I am mainly feeding dry only as a way to leave food out when I am at work. As soon as Miko is old enough (not a kitten) to be fed only 2-3 times a day, I will likely be making the transition to raw (or only wet).

And thanks for the suggestions for treats. Miko goes crazy for the Pure Bits freeze dried salmon- almost TOO crazy. After giving him one piece, he spends the next 5 minutes searching the area and me for more lol.

Also, thanks for the tip about Orijen carrying small bags. I bought one today, but Miko didn't take to it at all. Turned his nose up to it just like with his current dry food (I mixed the orijen in at a 25% ratio). I decided to wet it a bit just so I could get him eating, but I had to take it away after an hour because I was worried about bacteria. Not sure what he'll do tomorrow, but hopefully he gets hungry enough and eats the dry while Im at work.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:24 pm 
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Matt, you will drive yourself crazy with Miko!!! All that we go through for our kitties!!! You will probably go through several kinds of food before you find something Miko loves. And then, after your purchase a full case of it, Miko will decide he doesn't like it anymore!!! Ugh!!! My Raiden requires a variety of types. He will clean a bowl completely and when I give him the same food two days later will try to cover it up and walk away. So I try to have enough variety that he only gets that type once a week. Nothing is worse than when a cat refuses to eat what you put in front of him. But, bengals seem to be like humans. There are days I'm not in the mood for a certain food and if I had to eat it, would not enjoy it as much. With Raiden, tuna is on his "I'll eat it occasionally" list. He much prefers chicken, turkey and beef.


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Sherry wrote:
Matt, you will drive yourself crazy with Miko!!! All that we go through for our kitties!!! You will probably go through several kinds of food before you find something Miko loves. And then, after your purchase a full case of it, Miko will decide he doesn't like it anymore!!! Ugh!!! My Raiden requires a variety of types. He will clean a bowl completely and when I give him the same food two days later will try to cover it up and walk away. So I try to have enough variety that he only gets that type once a week. Nothing is worse than when a cat refuses to eat what you put in front of him. But, bengals seem to be like humans. There are days I'm not in the mood for a certain food and if I had to eat it, would not enjoy it as much. With Raiden, tuna is on his "I'll eat it occasionally" list. He much prefers chicken, turkey and beef.


Hey Sherry. I know what you mean about watching them refuse to eat what you give them. I tried to force Miko to eat only dry yesterday and the day before, and he only got his wet food at night, but it was just too difficult because I knew he was hungry (long calling-for-food meow's).

I know it's recommended to feed your kitten 4-5 times a day, but with Miko not eating his dry food at all (My mom just got home and texted me and told me his bowl is untouched from 8 AM, and its now 1PM), is it acceptable to only feed him 3 times a day (morning, afternoon, night) from now on? I want to get him eating only wet food as I believe it's better for his health in the long run. Soon as he is closer to one year old, he'll be transitioning to raw if he likes it.

I usually give Miko a full 5.5 oz can of wet food (if I am feeding only wet), and if I am doing 50/50 dry/wet, then I feed him 1/2 cup dry, and 1/2 can of wet. Would it be okay to leave 1/3 of a can down for each feeding and just feed him 3 times a day? The portions will slowly increase of course as he gets bigger.

I honestly think the dry is more trouble than its worth right now as Miko loves his wet food and I have 3-4 flavors and he likes them all. Thanks! On my lunch break right now & wondering what Miko's up to lol :smile1:

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MWB wrote:
Hey Sherry. I know what you mean about watching them refuse to eat what you give them. I tried to force Miko to eat only dry yesterday and the day before, and he only got his wet food at night, but it was just too difficult because I knew he was hungry (long calling-for-food meow's).


Yea, the whole "you'll eat what's on your plate or you won't get desert" kind of mentality that humans use doesn't work on cats. If a cat smells something and it doesn't smell like food to them, or it somehow smells like something that might be dangerous (or whatever) they will not eat it. Period. So the only thing you can do it toss it and give them something different. They will out-stubborn you everytime.

I'm not sure what to tell you about the consequences if under-feeding. I suspect that it's what a lot of people do for kittens. You are probably more fortunate to have a cat that doesn't like dry food that one that doesn't like wet food. But there will be many instances going forward where you won't be there for your cat's breakfast or dinnertime, and in those cases you'll have to figure something out. Dry food is an excellent option in those cases, so I'd keep trying.

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What kind of can food do you guys use? Right now Xerxes is on Royal Canine Recovery. I am going to keep him on it for a couple more months as long as he still accepts it every day! I have been told it his high in calorie so I don't think it would be beneficial for long term and it is almost $3 a can.

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Canned Food: Earthborn Holistic, Weruva, Tiki Cat, sometime Wellness packets, and lately I've discovered a new brand called Lotus which they like pretty well.

Raw food: http://www.radfood.com/

For dry food, they mostly eat Blue Wilderness, but sometimes Orijen, and sometimes Arcana.

They've rejected lots and lots of other brands, and sometimes at one point they've loved a food, and then later decided that it is inedible (after you buy a case of it of course).

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