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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:04 am 
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This might be an incredibly stupid question but I can't seem to find an answer anywhere. The recipes everyone's posting for raw food... Is it simply a matter of cutting all the listed meat up into small chunks and mixing? I know some people use a grinder for the bones but I'm just starting out do I'd rather give the bones a miss until I'm more confident. Also I can't seem to find a reputable raw food premade company in Australia. So cut and mix? Or....

Welcome mate!

I get the animals already ground but the people who use grinders complain the meat is like paste. That wouldn't be good for teeth health. Most seem to just chop by hand, you'd be amazed the bones your cat can chew. Basic rule on bones is if its to big your cat won't eat it. I'm considering doing the same to at least part to add texture. Bones are so important for calcium. But you can get supplements with calcium or egg shells. You'd have to dig in the links but I think people use "bone meal" its normally used as fertilizer so available at gardening stores. There are several members here from Australia. They may not read this thread so start a thread in the nutrition section with your question on availability. Please report your finding here. I will ask them for you if they don't answer. Don't be lazy and do it right. A diet without enough calcium or any nutrient is the worst thing for your cat. You may try kangaroo I know another member mentioned it.

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:48 am 
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There seems to bit a lot of confusion that using grinders results in mush, it doesn't if you prepare it correctly. You need to strip the carcass of the chickens or rabbits (rabbit is a better meat if you can get it) of the easy to get to meat. This meat is then cut by hand into chunks. The bones with the attatched skin and meat are then ground (i also grind the beef heart as it is very tough). You then add the chunked meat & livers etc with the ground material to your eggs and water. The whole process is very quick and easy (no smashing things with meat cleavers etc) and there's no worry about the cat swallowing large bone fragments. The ground bones should still clean the teeth as the fragments are mixed into the food that needs to be chewed. You do not need to use £200-300 grinders either, the Kenwood MG510 £74.99 (in uk) is rated at 1600w and makes short work of bones (although i wouldn't try the bigger bones like legs).

The other thing to remember is grinding massively increases surface area for bacteria, this is fine if you have ground the meat yourself as it goes straight into freezing but you should never buy pre-ground fresh meat for use in your homemade food.


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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:52 am 
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Silly question but I want to start feeding raw but don't have a lot of freezer space, so i figured 1 meal a day is to be raw. Could I simply buy chicken, beef, liver/kidneys, place it in a mixer for a few seconds and hey presto.

I'm going on cost too, I can get off cuts from my local butchers for free and the 'end of day stuff' that no one bought. I've figured I could store 5 days worth in the freezer.

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:43 am 
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Greeneyes wrote:
Silly question but I want to start feeding raw but don't have a lot of freezer space, so i figured 1 meal a day is to be raw. Could I simply buy chicken, beef, liver/kidneys, place it in a mixer for a few seconds and hey presto.

I'm going on cost too, I can get off cuts from my local butchers for free and the 'end of day stuff' that no one bought. I've figured I could store 5 days worth in the freezer.


I worried about that too but actually it takes up a lot less room than you think. I put mine into small freezer bags and it takes up very little space to be honest. Last batch I made was about a month's worth, takes up 1 drawer when packed in well :D

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
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Might have to do some rearranging then lol

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:43 am 
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I've been looking into raw feeding, one thing that concerns me is the amount of bacteria in raw food. I know that cats have eaten raw for millennia, but so have humans and this hasn't stopped us moving to cooked food resulting in vastly greater life expectancies and lower disease incidence. Has any study been done into how to prevent these bacteria doing harm to our feline companions without spoiling the health benefits of raw food? Also, what's the consensus on bone? Like many here I'm cautious about it because of horror stories but I know cats would eat bone in the wild.

Thanks for the wealth of resources.

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:10 am 
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Cats have much shorter guts than us humans so the bacteria doesn't get long enough inside to start wreaking havoc. This doesn't mean don't take care of course, you can't leave your cat's raw food down for hours etc, cat's must have fresh meat unlike dogs who are scavengers.

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:54 am 
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Elysium wrote:
I've been looking into raw feeding, one thing that concerns me is the amount of bacteria in raw food. I know that cats have eaten raw for millennia, but so have humans and this hasn't stopped us moving to cooked food resulting in vastly greater life expectancies and lower disease incidence. Has any study been done into how to prevent these bacteria doing harm to our feline companions without spoiling the health benefits of raw food? Also, what's the consensus on bone? Like many here I'm cautious about it because of horror stories but I know cats would eat bone in the wild.

Thanks for the wealth of resources.


I think it's all about minimising potential risk, a cat's digestive system is much more capable of dealing with raw meat and bacteria than our own but they still cannot eat meat that isn't fresh. The way i try to obtain the best quality is by setting aside one morning a month. I go to the local butcher first thing in the morning and buy fresh ingredients, i come straight home and prepare the food and freeze. Freezing doesn't kill bacteria it just stops it multiplying, therefore it makes sense that the faster you can get it in the freezer the better. You should also never buy pre ground fresh meats as the surface area is much larger & bacteria will have had time to multiply. Some people smash the bones up to give the cats something to chew on, i grind them down as i'm worried that a bone could get stuck if swallowed.


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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:40 pm 
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I've tried the girls on the following:

Minced pork
Minced Chicken
1 large fresh egg
grinded up bone

I added in a bit of their kibble too.

I went to my local butchers and got the meat fresh, asked him to mince it for me too. The girls loved it A LOT!

I've enough to feed both of them 1 meal of this per day for the next 6 days and it only cost me £5!

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:10 am 
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I have had my bengal baby for about 3 weeks now - she has a very healthy appetite (she is 14 weeks and 2 kg, and a bit "pudgy" according to the vet - I think I have been overfeeding - she was 1.25 kg when I got her!!).

Anyway, I was advised by the breeder to feed her raw meat, RC 36 kibbles, and Fancy Feast cans. She has had days here and there with diarrhoea. I took her to the vet for the next round of vac's, and the vet strongly recommended a dry food only diet for the first 6 months. Does anyone agree with this here?

I have also read that kibbles and meat are processed at different rates, and if you feed the cat both at the same time, it can cause diarrhoea (I was guilty of doing this at times :oops: ). So while it could have been the mixture of food, it could also have been the raw meat that caused the diarrhoea. And while the diarrhoea is not good for the kitten, I would like to sort out the cause of the diarrhoea as I can't stomach cleaning it up, and tend to throw out the things she poos on (including an Indian doll and my bag!! :cry: She knows the good stuff to poo on! :roll: ). I am now feeding only kibbles and the occasional Fancy Feast can, and hasn't had any diarrhoea since.

The vet also thought the FF was a poor canned food, so I am starting to cut that down at the moment. I would like to feed raw meat, but just want to know that it's 100% fine for kittens!

Thanks for you help

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:44 am 
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I think it is safe to say that there is no one rule for every cat. what suits one cat might not suit another. My kitten is 5 months old and has been raw fed since 12 weeks old and is fine. I do feed him a feed that is ready mixed with supplements so he gets all he needs this in my opinion is vital in providing a balanced complete diet especially for growing kittens. I would say it never hurts to try as it does take trial and error to find what is best for your cat. Good luck with it all.


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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:13 pm 
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sweetjelly wrote:
Hi All
I have had my bengal baby for about 3 weeks now - she has a very healthy appetite (she is 14 weeks and 2 kg, and a bit "pudgy" according to the vet - I think I have been overfeeding - she was 1.25 kg when I got her!!).

Anyway, I was advised by the breeder to feed her raw meat, RC 36 kibbles, and Fancy Feast cans. She has had days here and there with diarrhoea. I took her to the vet for the next round of vac's, and the vet strongly recommended a dry food only diet for the first 6 months. Does anyone agree with this here?


I would strongly advise NOT feeding an all dry diet to any cat. Dry food causes dehydration so the cat is always playing catch up. Dry is a food of convenience for humans, it is not a natural diet for cats. It does not help to keep teeth clean, it's like us eating biscuits... just gets stuck in your teeth.

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I have also read that kibbles and meat are processed at different rates, and if you feed the cat both at the same time, it can cause diarrhoea (I was guilty of doing this at times :oops: ). So while it could have been the mixture of food, it could also have been the raw meat that caused the diarrhoea. And while the diarrhoea is not good for the kitten, I would like to sort out the cause of the diarrhoea as I can't stomach cleaning it up, and tend to throw out the things she poos on (including an Indian doll and my bag!! :cry: She knows the good stuff to poo on! :roll: ). I am now feeding only kibbles and the occasional Fancy Feast can, and hasn't had any diarrhoea since.


I do not think that feeding dry and wet together is a good idea but not for the reason you mentioned. I heard that it would make them sick as they are digested at different rates but not sure that's true either. What is true is that wet food attracts bacteria quickly which can multiply on the dry food easier because dry has a huge surface area. This can make kitties sick and cause diarrhoea.

However, i would strongly advise that you have your kitten tested for Parasites including TF as this kind of picture screams parasites to me. TF is a nasty parasite and can only be found by a special test. A PCR test is the only reliable test for this parasite. I strongly recommend testing for it. Breeders have a habit of using things to firm poo up in their cattery. Raw actually will not give diarrhoea much the opposite is true, it helps firm poo up.

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The vet also thought the FF was a poor canned food, so I am starting to cut that down at the moment. I would like to feed raw meat, but just want to know that it's 100% fine for kittens!

Thanks for you help


Raw is great for kittens and adult cats but you need to make sure it is a complete food that you feed. There is great information on what and how to feed in this thread. A kitten this age would need at least 3-4 meals a day. I would be tempted to free feed dry until 6 months as well so they can nibble when they are hungry. Kittens only have small stomachs so it's important they get fed little and often. A kitten who is 14 weeks can not be considered fat and should not be put on a diet. They are growing so will have periods where they look fat and then leggy and then fat etc.... They are growing and will do so until 12-18 months.

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:17 pm 
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Ok, this is an interesting one. My cousin went to see his daughter over in Canada who is a Vet Nurse. She said that her surgery are seeing a growing number of dogs and cats coming in at about 7 - 10 years old with liver failure. She seems to think this has been caused by a completely raw diet (which all these animals were on). Apparently, in the wild they would eat all of the prey which would include what is in its stomach so would be consuming grass/veg. Her opinion was that it is wrong to feed without some veg. Does anyone have any thoughts on this as I'd like to have your views?

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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:05 pm 
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minx wrote:
Ok, this is an interesting one. My cousin went to see his daughter over in Canada who is a Vet Nurse. She said that her surgery are seeing a growing number of dogs and cats coming in at about 7 - 10 years old with liver failure. She seems to think this has been caused by a completely raw diet (which all these animals were on). Apparently, in the wild they would eat all of the prey which would include what is in its stomach so would be consuming grass/veg. Her opinion was that it is wrong to feed without some veg. Does anyone have any thoughts on this as I'd like to have your views?


Don't see why a raw diet would cause liver problems, quite the opposite due to the high water content of raw meat. I would of thought dehydration and the chemicals and preservatives in commercial foods would be more likely to cause damage to the liver along with the other organs. I'm not sure vets are the best people to ask on this subject as they have a financial interest in selling food and treating the associated symptoms caused by it.


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 Post subject: Re: Raw feeding
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:55 pm 
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I do think that there are a lot of people out there that feed an incorrect raw diet... it is that kind of raw feeder that gives raw feeding opposers ammunition.

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