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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:05 pm 
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Setting out to look for your first pedigree kitten can be a daunting process. With so many breeders to choose from how to do you choose?

Before you even consider buying a pedigree kitten please make sure that you have thoroughly thought through the following points first:

A kitten is a living creature that will be a large part of your family for (hopefully) many years to come. He/she will require your time and patience and rely on you for its food, warmth and care.

You will have to buy various items for the kittens needs. These can include:

Food
Litter
Toys
Bed
Kitty climber
Harness
Insurance


You may incur future veterinary costs. Even if your kitten is insured, the insurance may not cover all treatment, which depending on your kitten’s health problem, could potentially run into thousands of pounds.

Will you be able to make arrangements for your kitten if you have to go away or you are taken ill? If you do not have a family member or friend to cat sit for you then you would have to consider a boarding cattery. This is another additional future expense that you will have to be prepared for.

When you take into account the expense of not only buying a pedigree kitten but also of its future upkeep please make sure that you are financially capable of owning a pedigree kitten. If you are in doubt, then please look to home an older cat or visit one of the many rescue centres. There are plenty of cats in rescue that need loving homes.



THE BREEDER
You would be wise to visit some cat shows where you can speak to some Bengal breeders. You will be able to meet the Bengals there and get a feel for the breed and learn about the breed’s temperament and needs. Any breeder should be more than willing to answer your questions. It might be a good idea to take a list of questions with you.

Research the Bengal breed as much as you can. Some recommended informative books on the breed are:

Guide to Owning a Bengal Cat – Jean Mill
The Bengal Cat – Jean Ducote
Bengal Cats – A complete Pet Owners Manual – Dan Rice


The following websites list registered Bengal breeders:

UK
www.bengalkittenlist.co.uk
www.bengalcatsandkittens.org.uk (The Bengal Cat club of Great Britain)
www.bengalcatclub.co.uk (The Bengal Cat Club)
www.gccfcats.org

International
www.bengalcat.com (TIBCS)
www.tica.org
www.bengalclassifieds.com

Visiting the Cattery
A reputable breeder will be more than willing to answer any questions that you may have. Deciding to buy a kitten is a big responsibility so never be afraid to ask for information/advice or if you have any concerns, no matter how ‘trivial’ you think they may be. You may wish to consider asking the following questions to your Bengal breeder:


1. How long have you been breeding Bengals and what made you decide to breed them?
A genuine breeder will be passionate about the breed and willing to talk enthusiastically and honestly about their cats and their reasons for breeding them which should be to help to progress the breed forward in a healthy and positive direction.

2. How many cats do they have and where/how are they kept?
Ideally a breeder will have ample room for their breeding cats. They should have their own separate living quarters away from other cats. Stud cats are normally kept in outside pens which should be large enough for the cat to exercise. Each pen should be clean, heated and with enough toys/climbers to keep the cats active and occupied.
Breeding queens should have their own space, especially when they are pregnant, to ensure they are kept in as stress-free environment as possible. Sometimes 2 queens many be kept together if they get along, but keeping entire females together who may fight is not a good breeding practice. With the hormonal changes that can take place in pregnancy or when a female is in heat, can potentially put an unnecessary burden on the queen’s health as well as her kittens.

3.Where are the kittens born?
If the breeder has more than one litter of kittens then they should ideally be kept segregated. Infection and disease spreads quickly and there is always a high risk of other litters becoming ill if one litter succumbs to an infection/virus.
The kitten quarters should be scrupulously clean with enough space for the kittens to exercise and play. The litter boxes/bed/bedding/toys/bowls should be kept clean, and there should be fresh food and water available.
The kittens should be friendly, sociable and fearless if they have had enough stimulation and care from a very early age. The kittens’ eyes should be clear, bright and alert. Their noses should be clear, clean and without any discharge. Breathing should be normal and regular without any wheezing or ‘sniffles’.

4. Are the kittens vaccinated?
Ask the breeder which vaccinations the kittens have had and when they are due for their next vaccinations. A pedigree kitten should come with a vaccination certificate signed by a qualified veterinarian.

5. Have any of the kittens in the litter been ill?
If they have, what were the symptoms? What diagnosis did they have?

6. Ask to meet the parents of the kitten/s.
Are they both healthy and do they have friendly temperaments?

7. Do the kittens come with a 4 or 5 generation pedigree?
The pedigree should show the kitten’s parents and ancestors for at least 4 generations. The first 3 generations should state the cats’ registration numbers. The pedigree should be signed by the breeder.

8. Is the kitten registered?
The majority of breeders will hold back your kitten’s reg. paper until proof of neutering is supplied. Your pet kitten will be registered on the INACTIVE register which means you may not breed from the kitten. You will need the kitten’s reg. paper if you are showing your kitten. Discuss this with your breeder.

9. Is the breeder registered?
Your breeder should be registered with one of the governing bodies such as GCCF (In the UK) or TICA.


10. Does the breeder offer any health guarantees?
Some breeders will supply a written contract with their kittens. You will normally be advised to take your kitten to your vet within the first 48 hours of bringing him/her home. Please make sure you understand the contract and whether it covers your kitten for inherited genetic conditions, such as HCM or PKD. Ask your breeder whether they carry out any health testing on their breeding cats. Any reputable breeder should be supportive, honest and happy to give you advice long after their kittens have left their cattery. A good breeder is a responsible breeder.



Your kitten should therefore be going home with the following:

A pedigree showing at least four generations of the cat's ancestors, & signed by the breeder.

A registration or transfer certificate from the appropriate registration body.

A record of the cat's vaccinations to date from a registered veterinarian. Your kitten should be vaccinated for flu & enteritis at 9 weeks old and receive its second course at 12 weeks old.

A kitten pack. This is supplied by many breeders and can consist of samples of food/litter/ and toys.

A contract.

A receipt.



If you have any questions before making your decision, this forum offers a wealth of information and experience so please feel welcome to post on here asking for advice in the relevant section.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:36 pm 
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Hi there,
I bought 2 beautiful Bengal kittens from 'Bundle Bengals' located in Colechester, Essex.
I bought a brown rosetted girl, and a blue eyed rosetted snow boy. They are healthy, happy, full of life, athletic and chatty, basically everything you'd expect and more from a Bengal kitten.
When we went to meet the kittens and leave a deposit, we were shown all around the breeders house and introduced to her pet cats, and all of her Stud and Queen cats including parents and siblings of our chosen kittens - whom are all stunning, happy and healthy!
We have had nothing but joy brought to us since getting our Bengal cats, and we have Stella and Nick, their fab breeders, to thank for that.
The kittens each came with contracts, proof of purchase receipts, pedigree certificates showing 4 generations of blood lines, medical history cards, fully vaccinated, wormed, flea dropped, introductory pack including food and toy. Bundle Bengals keep in touch and are always there for advice or help whenever you may need any advice/reassurance. All in all, theyre the best Bengal breeders around.
I may be biased after having 2 perfect kittens from Bundle Bengals, but through a lot of research and now my own personal experience, my advice is to stick with a reputable breeder who is passionate about the breed of Cat.
I hope iv helped.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:30 pm 
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hmmm doesnt sound like the same people my kitten came from, no health record or any of the other things you stated and the cats come with TF :x

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:35 pm 
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trace_matt wrote:
hmmm doesnt sound like the same people my kitten came from, no health record or any of the other things you stated and the cats come with TF :x


You got them from the same breeder as the poster above?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:48 pm 
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Greeneyes wrote:
trace_matt wrote:
hmmm doesnt sound like the same people my kitten came from, no health record or any of the other things you stated and the cats come with TF :x


You got them from the same breeder as the poster above?


i sure did yes cant say to much on here as we are in a court battle but definatly the description above is so not true

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:08 pm 
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PrinceandTiger has only made two posts on the forum, both in the Choosing section, and both about how wonderful BundleBengals are...and the one on this topic basically sounds like a script...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:32 pm 
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trace_matt wrote:
Greeneyes wrote:
trace_matt wrote:
hmmm doesnt sound like the same people my kitten came from, no health record or any of the other things you stated and the cats come with TF :x


You got them from the same breeder as the poster above?


i sure did yes cant say to much on here as we are in a court battle but definatly the description above is so not true


Oh dear, I shall divert from this topic lol

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:37 pm 
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Paiviaso wrote:
PrinceandTiger has only made two posts on the forum, both in the Choosing section, and both about how wonderful BundleBengals are...and the one on this topic basically sounds like a script...



yes something smells fishy to me lol

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:12 am 
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Got my new boy from Amantra Bengals and I am very pleased.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:33 pm 
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I'm happy you had a great experience with your breeder. That's so important.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:28 pm 
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Hi all!
I got my two babies from a breeder in Cambridge uk
They came with food and any advice I needed, they have a Facebook page so you can see how all the brothers and sisters are growing up, past and future litters too which is a nice touch :)

I have to say though - mine came without papers, they showed me there's though.
Honestly - i don't want to breed them, I don't want to show them, I just want a pet to make my home complete!

I was there for an hour choosing the one I wanted, I met mum, dad, brothers, sisters, the dogs, the chickens, the human family and anytime I ask them a question they get back to me, they even gave me a discount because I went back two weeks later for another one!
They were the loveliest people id ever met, the kittens have been to the vets a few times each for jabs, to be done etc and they are perfectly healthy!

Just because a cat doesn't come with certain things doesn't mean you should run for the hills!!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:17 am 
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Hello,
I'm speaking to a few breeders in the US. One breeder says she offers a 100% health guarantee for the life of the kitten for any chronic disease (she does not vaccinate her kittens or screen her breeders). Another breeder I have spoken with offers a health guarantee for the first two years. From your experience with breeders what type of health guarantees came with your purchase?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:12 am 
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Mrssos3 wrote:
Hello,
I'm speaking to a few breeders in the US. One breeder says she offers a 100% health guarantee for the life of the kitten for any chronic disease (she does not vaccinate her kittens or screen her breeders). Another breeder I have spoken with offers a health guarantee for the first two years. From your experience with breeders what type of health guarantees came with your purchase?
Mrssos3


Most I've seen offer days or weeks. So it's stupid generous from that standpoint. But to me the guarantee is probably not even in the top 5 things in terms of importance. For those people that *do* get a kitten with a chronic health problem, whether they have a guarantee or not are put through a really agonizing ordeal. If I had to pick between a breeder that doesn't scan but has a health guarantee, or one that does scan but doesn't have a health guarantee, I'd take the one that scans. Just because you get your purchase price back doesn't mean that you are not out a lot of money, not to mention the emotional wreckage that leaves you in.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:13 am 
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That's what I've begun to think as I mull all these things over and try to figure out what breeder I think has the best practice just based on phone and email interviews...there's a lot to consider and figure out!
We plan on visiting too but will be waiting to travel to the catteries further away (4.5h drive one way) this summer.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:19 am 
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Mrssos3 wrote:
Hello,
I'm speaking to a few breeders in the US. One breeder says she offers a 100% health guarantee for the life of the kitten for any chronic disease (she does not vaccinate her kittens or screen her breeders). Another breeder I have spoken with offers a health guarantee for the first two years. From your experience with breeders what type of health guarantees came with your purchase?
Mrssos3


Let me try to clarify a little.

A 100% health guarantee for the life of the kitten is usually against genetic diseases - i.e. something within the breeder's control. For a Bengal this will be PRA, PKD, PK Def and HCM. We choose to do a 3 year guarantee; but really it doesn't matter - if they have any of these diseases they will typically show up in the first year or two. I've seen breeder's offer anything from no guarantee, 1 year, 2 year and 3 years.

The health guarantee for a few days is typically for infectious diseases like bacterial, viral, parasites and the like. The fact that she doesn't vaccinate is shocking to me. It's been proven in studies that kittens will lose their immunity from their mothers between 8-16 weeks (depending on a lot of factors) and vaccinations are a must against Panleukopenia and Rabies and is good for Feline Viral Rhinotracheitis and Calici (which are all in the standard vaccine). Panleukopenia is a horrible disease which is easily prevented.

Deworming should also be done as a routine for all kittens and I very much hope she is doing that. Even if the mother doesn't currently have worms, the kittens can easily get them from all sorts of sources and it's basically mandatory to deworm kittens starting at 6 weeks.

Pretty much all breeders should be scanning and providing a health guarantee. If they are doing one or the other (but not both), personally, I would find someone else.

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