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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:33 am 
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Hey everyone - am new to the forum and wasjust hoping for a little advice with my bengal kitten.

I've had him a few weeks now and he settled very well and quickly - my concern is wether the below is normal play behaviour ?....

So when he is playing with his toys hes fine he loves to jump and flip around the place charging round like a nutter, hes very friendly an loves a cuddle an to give you kisses, but..... every now and again he goes into phyco mode, he will be playing with you normally but then will arch himself up puff his furr out (which i know from having domestic moggies is im making myself big as im scared) and will launch at yu ears pinned back and bite an scratch liek a nutter!!! it comes out of nowhere ... is this normal behaviour for a bengal?

also a lil food question - compared to moggy cats ive had in the past - my bengal doesnt seem to eat much- ive tried different kitten packs kitten biscuits and cooked chicken, fish - he just doesnt seem to eat enough - my rents are vets an ive been told how many meals and quantity he should roughly have but he really doesnt seem to interested - is there anything in particular bengals really like that i can give him to ensure hes gettin enough and grows and developes properly

many thanks in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: advice appreciated
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:17 pm 
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saz wrote:
So when he is playing with his toys hes fine he loves to jump and flip around the place charging round like a nutter, hes very friendly an loves a cuddle an to give you kisses, but..... every now and again he goes into phyco mode, he will be playing with you normally but then will arch himself up puff his furr out (which i know from having domestic moggies is im making myself big as im scared) and will launch at yu ears pinned back and bite an scratch liek a nutter!!! it comes out of nowhere ... is this normal behaviour for a bengal?


We have had Izzy for a week and she is 14 weeks old. She plays the same way as your boy, I don't think its anything to worry about as long as you feel it is play and not out and out aggression. I distract her with a fishing rod toy and if she really jumps on my arm and wrestles/bites I say 'No' and put her on the floor or out of the room.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:23 pm 
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Hello...
welcome to the forum..
your little terror sounds pretty normal for any kitten really.. they aways have a mad half hour when they like to 'kill' us.. it does calm down with age..
when he goes into monster mode try and replace yourself with a toy such as 'da bird'.. they love them, he also may need his claws trimming..
it will save your legs arms and furniture too..
there are heaps of threads on here re claw trimming..
re his diet..
what was your breeder feeding him on..?
personally I would stick to the same diet for now..
they 'will' eat if hungry.. also dry food lasts a lot longer than wet food which is commonly 81% water, so if he is nibbling dry kitten biscuits,even though he may look like he isnt eating much, he is obviously having enough for him..
just be careful at this age, giving him so much variety.. it 'can' cause tummy problems.. :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:29 pm 
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thanks for the advice!

i've never heard of a toy called 'da bird' - what is it an where can i find one!?

the breeder was feeding him raw meats - i tried raw chicken and mince but he turned his nose up at both.

having read through loads of posts on here im wondering if its because he was weaned to early? i took him home at 8weeks old - i thought this was fine as moggies go at this age - but seems all posts here refer to bengals needing to be 13weeks?!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:49 pm 
Hi & welcome,

The breeder should not have sold you the kitten at that age, one of the factors will be he's still very very much a kitten & would learn how to behave from his mom & his litter mates which iinstills a good mentally in the young furling.

Remember he/she is tiny & will only need small meals on a regular basis.

Best advice i can say is keep it simple.

Jim


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:20 pm 
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ahh, I see..
the GCCF registered breeders are not allowed to let the kittens go before 13/14 weeks..
they have to be fully weaned, litter trained, fully vaccinated, & properly socialised etc..
at 8 weeks a kitten will not be vaccinated, will not be properly socialised..
Was the breeder registered??
Is the kitten registered with GCCF/TICA paperwork??

this is 'da bird'
its worth a try...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DA-BIRD-THE-No-1- ... 286.c0.m14


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:37 pm 
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hi - no i didnt get paper work with him - saw them mums she is full bengal - i was assured he was a pure breed - paid full breed price!!! i'll have to upload some pics to see what you think. he looks bengal, she had a few older bengals of her own with there paper work. I had him vaccinated at 9weeks - he gets his next one at 13weeks so next week (my dads a vet so lucky for me i go to his surgary an get all my vet care sorted cheap!)

it was the breeders daughter the mums cattery was reg - but the daughter had a few off her and i dont think she had a reg name.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:34 pm 
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your lucky having dad for a vet!! can I borrow him :lol:

unfortunately you will just have to take the breeders word for it, you will have no proof if there are no papers with the kitten..
its registration papers, not a pedigree...
A breeder doesnt have to have a cattery name for the kittens to be registered with the GCCF or TICA
they are the governing bodies that hold the pedigree's & registration number of every full bengal that is properly registered
thing is, when you pay ' full bengal price'...
you get the full registration that 'proves' its a full bengal, also they have already had the jabs etc.. and are properly socialised etc..
you will also find you have no health guarantee either :(
Im sure your dad will make sure he is all fine and dandy though.. and im sure your will love him even if he isnt full bengal xx


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:44 pm 
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I am new here and I don't want to step on toes. I've noticed that many breeders are being extraordinarily polite and tip toeing around this issue. I don't mean to offend and preface the following by saying that it is simply my opinion.

What you are experiencing likely stems from the kittens removal so early. Just as a side note, it is not suitable to remove any kitten from its mother prior to 11 or 12 weeks minimum regardless of breed. It may be common, but it is never ever suitable unless there is a health concern.

It is during this period that the foundation for the future cats personality is laid. Although people focus on the spots a very large part of what makes a Bengal special is its personality. In my opinion you will be very very lucky if your kitten grows into a Bengal from that perspective. Kittens removed early, Bengal or not, commonly suffer from a multitude of behavioral problems and rarely ever achieve their genetic potential physically, mentally or as a personal companion.

When your kitten does the attacks it needs to be softly but firmly disciplined. It should not be rewarded for that behavior in any way or it will make the connection between cause and effect almost instantly and once made it is much more difficult to break.

The simplest thing to do is to hold the kitten, get its attention and firmly say "no" and stop it from continuing. Lightly rub it's head to let it know that you still love it but restrain it so it knows its actions are not appreciated. After saying no and beginning to rub its head completely ignore its continued attempts to play.

If it is all claws and teeth simply wrap it lightly in a face cloth and then rub its head in a manner remenicient of a mother grooming it. You must be quite consistent and you only need to do this for a minute to get the point across. Kittens in a playful mood, and this is what this is regardless of the fact that to you and me it looks like it want to eat your face, hate being restrained.

If a face cloth is required then keep one handy at your side. The act of having to get up to retrieve a cloth and then come back to restrain the kitten is to long and the connection may be lost. You must alway think of a kitten as suffering from extreme Attention Deficient Disorder but unfortunately Ritalin is not the solution :lol:

A large part of the play instinct in mammals is a means of learning/honing fight/flight skills. It is perfectly natural for your kitten to be pushing the boundaries. What isn't natural is for it to be without guidance as it does it.

On a side note.
I'm in Canada and many of our organizations do not specify a correct time to place a kitten but I know of no quality breeder that would place a kitten before 12 weeks and if we noticed one we, as a group would make certain they knew they were not welcomed within our ranks. We use early placement as one of the primary means of recognizing someone that breeds purely for profit as obviously the kittens health or the owners enjoyment are not priorities for that breeder. :(

If you wish to read more I have a page on the subject
http://www.wildexpressions.ca/b_12weeks.htm

A little discipline on both your and the kittens part could save a lot of heartache done the road. Good luck and please do not hesitate to stop in and ask questions. Don't fret, with care, concern and patience you will raise a wonderful companion but always remember that you are going to have to teach it the things that it would normally already be aware of and that is going to be a bit of a challenge at times. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:05 pm 
I agree with What Wildexpression has said there its a very valid & well described response which highlights the risks of getting a kitten at such a young age.

This is a great posting to make potential & new owners more aware, However its really the breeder needs to be more responsible & setting a good standard.

Keep us posted with how you getting on with you Kitten ohh & where's the pictures of him/her :wink: ..

Cheers jim


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:23 pm 
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queenb wrote:
your lucky having dad for a vet!! can I borrow him :lol:

unfortunately you will just have to take the breeders word for it, you will have no proof if there are no papers with the kitten..
its registration papers, not a pedigree...
A breeder doesnt have to have a cattery name for the kittens to be registered with the GCCF or TICA
they are the governing bodies that hold the pedigree's & registration number of every full bengal that is properly registered
thing is, when you pay ' full bengal price'...
you get the full registration that 'proves' its a full bengal, also they have already had the jabs etc.. and are properly socialised etc..
you will also find you have no health guarantee either :(
Im sure your dad will make sure he is all fine and dandy though.. and im sure your will love him even if he isnt full bengal xx



does this mean if i were to contact the breeder and get the pedigree info from the stud an queen i could register the kitten myself? - thats if he is actually a full bengal then!!

an yes even if not he will be loved just as much.


Thankyou for all the other advice on this topic - your views and advice is greatly appreciated.

I will get pictures up shortly - and keep you all informed on the situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:28 pm 
Some breeders will only release the papers once they get confirmation that the kitten has been neutured, is that true?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:34 pm 
Yes its common practice with most breeders, if you have bought the Bengal as a pet they wil withhold the papers until you have had the kitten nuetered or spayed & a letter comfirming that is sent from the vet to the breeder.

Jim


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:35 pm 
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no, only the breeder can register the kittens.

Regards

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:37 pm 
Jim wrote:
Yes its common practice with most breeders, if you have bought the Bengal as a pet they wil withhold the papers until you have had the kitten nuetered or spayed & a letter comfirming that is sent from the vet to the breeder.

Jim


Thanks Jim, how soon can you get them done, is 14 weeks too early?


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