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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:11 am 
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Hi

I'm desperate :cry:

Our bengal boy Luis (4 months old), who's been with us a month, has not taken very kindly to our other male manx kitten Pepe we got last Saturday.

We did the intergrating steps like towel swapping, room swaping, eating together either side of a glass door, seeing each other and "paw boxing" through a crack in the glass door.

All looks good, there is now hissing or yowlling. However, when we let Luis in, Pepe tries some friendly play, whilst Luis is pretty much straight in with agressive attacks & bitting and we have to separate them.

Any ideas how to integrate them in a friendly way, so they will play together, not kill each other?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:13 pm 
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Are your boys neutered yet? If they are two non-neutered males, that could well explain the aggression, although they seem a bit young. If they are neutered, it might be that Luis still needs to determine who's "top cat" in the house and once he's settled that to his satisfaction, he might calm down. Or he might be acting territorial, in which case he might need some more time to get used to the idea of sharing his house and family with another cat. It can take weeks or even months for cats to become friendly with each other, although it usually doesn't take as long for young cats.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:15 pm 
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They haven't been neutered yet as they are too small, but Luis is getting the chop done next week.

I think he is very hormonal at the moment and he quite agressive with us, which is why we weren't too surprised when they started fighting.

Do bengals calm down a lot after they've been neutered and let outside, cause Luis is turning into a nightmare :cry:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:36 pm 
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Mikesch was neutered recently and I'm not sure yet if it has calmed him down. He seems to have stopped spraying over the last week or so, which is good news, but he also seems to have redirected the energy freed up by stopping his marking behavior to chasing and bullying the other cat into play-fighting. (At least I assume he's playing as long as I don't see any blood...) Pretty much the only thing that keeps him from play-attacking Binky is if I play with him instead to divert his energy. Maybe you can try distracting Luis with an attractive toy when letting the two cats together? That way, they might learn to play together.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:10 am 
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well, we let Luis in and he sat on top of Pepe and appeared to be biting him on his neck. Pepe didn't fight back, acted dead and just hissed a few times, so we separated them.

Any idea what that was supposed to mean?
Shall we leave it a bit longer?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:39 am 
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Sounds like Luis is asserting his top cat status over Pepe. It might be a form of prey-playing or more likely play-fighting in order to establish dominance. He might be saying, "This is my house and I was here first so do not dare to challenge me!" If Pepe limits his reaction to playing dead and hissing defensively, he is in fact submitting - for now. I think it's a normal way for them to establish their pecking order and they probably will work things out between themselves if you let them. You might want to watch closely and have a squirt gun or a blanket at the ready in case you need to interfere. (Don't risk your fingers separating them if they start fighting for real.) Hopefully they'll get along better after they've cleared the question of their social hierarchy. Getting them neutered should definitely help to curb inter-male aggression.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:05 am 
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Well, I'm happy to say that Luis and Pepe and starting to get along, especially during feeding time.

As soon as I put the bowls down the "fighting" is promtly abondonned and both rush to get their tummys full :D

Luis is still quite agressive in his playing, but that seems to be "the bengal way" from reading other people's posts here. The fact that Luis is three times as heavy and twice as big as Pepe doesn't make it very fair!

here are some photos

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:36 pm 
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if they are both eating together then thats a good thing & im sure once Luis is happy he's top cat then the rough playing will probably calm down.

i dont want to alarm you Petr, but if the last pic is of your manx kitten pepe then there is something seriously wrong with him...........ie he has a tail!!!

both your cats are beautiful though :D


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:54 pm 
Some manx kittens do have tails - it just depends on what you get in the litter.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:59 pm 
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katlover wrote:
i dont want to alarm you Petr, but if the last pic is of your manx kitten pepe then there is something seriously wrong with him...........ie he has a tail!!!


That's fine, most manx cats are born without tails, but not all, so you can get a tailed manx :wink:

further proof of our previous tailed manx who sadly passed away this year :cry:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:46 pm 
Pepe is a very handsome man. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:12 pm 
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oooops sorry, my mistake then............ive had 2 manx cats & both had no tail.......i just presumed that was the norm.........sorry if ive caused offence to anyone :?

both your cats are very handsome


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:25 pm 
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The tailless gene is dominant, so if you have a tailless Manx, it might carry only one copy of the gene from one parent with a long tail gene from the other parent. If you then breed two Manx cats with such mixed genes, about one out of every four kittens will get two long tail gene copies and thus have a normal tail. (Sorry, couldn't resist my inner geneticist chiming in...) :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:35 pm 
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Wow i had no idea it was all so technical...........i thank your inner geneticist for chiming in........all knowledge is good! :D

Thankyou everyone for educating me todayx


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:08 pm 
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Hehe! Well, my inner geneticist insisted that I google the Manx gene and I found out that the double-tailless gene combination is lethal, meaning a kitten with that combination dies before birth. So all tailless Manx cats have the mixed genes (tailless/normal) because otherwise they wouldn't have survived until birth. Therefore, the majority of Manx litters should have some long-tailed kittens in it.

That got me wondering (off topic): Do people purposefully breed tailless with long tail Manx to circumvent abortions? Theoretically, such a combination should give about half tailless, half normal tail kittens without any aborted ones, whereas two tailless Manx would mean a quarter of the kittens aborted before birth.


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