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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:18 pm 
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an interesting yet concerning email i got from a friend this morning!
what do you think?

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There are two very harmful bills currently sailing through the Oregon legislature relatively unopposed. Your voices in opposition are urgently needed, and I have set up a way for anyone to help quickly and easily.

HB 3437 would prohibit future private ownership of all exotics, and may ban the breeding of hybrids as well.

SB 804 would hand the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission the same authority California Fish and Game has to regulate and ban all “wildlife,” as well as the authority to determine what constitutes wildlife. The Oregon Supreme Court has already ruled that this agency has overstepped its authority by confiscating animals it does not legally control, and this bill is an attempt to get around that ruling. It reportedly plans to ban everything should it receive that authority.

With just a few clicks, you can use the provided message or customize your own, and send it to almost 60 Oregon legislators. It takes a matter of seconds. Please send your own message, and then encourage family, friends, and email lists to do the same. This needs to be done very quickly; without major action SB 804 may be passed within days.

To oppose the bills, simply visit these two pages, enter your email address, and click send. It really is that simple!

http://www.exoticcatz.com/sb084.php
http://www.exoticcatz.com/hb3437.php

Please send your messages and then spread the word….quickly!

Thanks,
Jessi Clark-White
USDA licensee and proud serval owner



also unconnected to this email and a bit off track= The RSCPA have welcomed a group that is trying to ban all breeding of pedigree animals that suffer health problems as a result of their pedigree, IE - flat faced dogs and cats (problems with breathing) Large breed rabbits, long eared rabbits, hairless breed etc.!!
People with nothing better to do!!

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:24 pm 
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Hi filty_gorgeous had a look at your website, your bengals are gorgeous :D Im getting a bengal female on the 12th of june, she's 4 weeks old on the 15th of may. Getting her off my friend who's bengal female had kittens, watched both of her bengals grow up and fell in love with the breed they are amazing cats and always wanted one. Cant wait to get her :D I also have 2 other cats mum and son and they are tabbies sp hope they get along with my bengal when i get her.
You have a very good site there and have signed the guest book :D

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:02 pm 
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hi Gemini

thanks for your comments !
bengals are addictive so i bet you will get another!! lol

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Hi filthy_gorgeous yes i would like another female a snow one :D


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:43 pm 
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Hi

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Who are the animal group endorsed by the RSPCA?
I suppose if health is the main issue then it is probably right, but where does it end? Are hairless animals, or large breed rabbits, or long eared rabbits particularly unhealthy?

I do know that some of the rabbit breeds have a lot of problems with teeth as other traits have been given more priority to the detriment of their mouths or so I was told by a vet. That is due to poor breeding skills on the part of the breeders involved and not the fault of the breed itself.

The Oregon bill is very scary for those who have foundations and ALCs and the Savannahs and other hybrids. I presume there is a problem perceived by the authorities there, real or imaginary I am not too sure.
I don't agree with the tiger and alligator living in an apartment in New York or other such tales of wild creatures being cooped up in inappropriate circumstances, but others who keep their animals well being penalised because of the moronic element is not right either. Any bill that bans or prohibits and enables confiscation of any animal (apart from in cruelty cases) is wrong in my book.

I saw the pics of Chuie the serval in Cat World today, I think he is a marvellous beast but what does his future really hold being caged up for the rest of his life, as once he is sexually mature, he will not be lying on the sofa, with the other cats. Even the Exoticatz website says that she keeps her domestic cats away from her adult serval, as even just playing, he could do serious damage.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:24 pm 
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hi Elsa

hows you?

Re Chuie, he was hand reared/bottle fed from a day old and is very much part of paulines and franks feline family!
as with any cat they can all attack and as you are aware the bengal is more like a dog anyway and is people orientated!
the serval being the same, African tribes do keep these magnificent babies as pets.
every one is entitled to there own opinion but seeing is believing.

regards FG :D

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:40 pm 
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totaly agree with you fg, i have had the honour of meeting chuie and he is one lucky cat. he has lots of affection and is treated and kept with great respect from his owners pauline and frank, who treat him like the king he is. it always amazes me how people are quick to jump on people who have these amazing cats. as in the early generation bengals which besides are serving a great part in finding a cure for leukemia to help all other breeds and possibly us, they also have provided us with the bengal cat we know and love today so we owe a lot to the breeders of early generations cats and i often sometimes feel like some people are hypocrites who condem the early generations yet keep there offspring the bengal cat as pets as i believe you could not condem one without the other.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:59 pm 
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I'd love to see a picture of Chuie...can anyone post one please?


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http://www.gayzette-bengals.co.uk/html/ ... llery.html

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wow thanks filthy...he is stunning. We can't believe the size of him. I don't think Aran would want to 'play fight' with that one :shock: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:35 pm 
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Hi

I think that you both misunderstand me. I am not against Chuie, nor the keeping of other "wild" cats. I merely said that the idyll of Chuie as a kitten at the moment is not the same as Chuie as an adult. Servals from what I read are difficult to house train and quite dangerous around other small pets as adults, therefore it will be impossible to keep him, as he is accustomed at the moment, in the house. OK in the great outdoors in Africa where I am sure they are used to catch small animals for the tribe.

See http://www.exoticcatz.com/spservalotherpets.html

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The biggest additional hurdle you face with servals is the size difference. It is quite possible that as your serval grows, he will continue to play roughly with your domestic cat without regard for the fact that the domestic is smaller and more fragile. This can lead to discontent and injuries; even in play a serval three times the size of your domestic cat can cause some pretty severe damage.


and from the same site written by a Serval owner

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Domestic cats pounce on things; Servals unleash a deadly accurate "karate chop" surgical strike at them.


I am sure he is deeply loved by his owners, but the reality is that Chuie will be in a cage/enclosure not on the sofa and will have to be separated from his "pals " the cats for the rest of his adult life, unless his owners are willing to risk the health of their other cats/small pets including small dogs. I am sure the 7 year old tiger that mauled Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy was probably only playing, he had been with them since a cub.

I have nothing against foundation Bengals and ALC's and certainly are not condeming them, without them we wouldn't have Bengals, it was merely an observation on the romantic vision of Chuie spending his life in the house cosily snuggling up to domestic cats.

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Is it much different than how a large breed dog would play with a regular cat? I am curious.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:05 pm 
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i totaly disagree with you elsa you are only refering to freak accidents like being mauled by a lion or tiger. compare that to how many are actualy kept and you are probably safer keeping one of them as pets than keeping a dog. and in this country all cats even moggies are still classed as wild animals so is it fair on any of us keeping any breed as pets, if you want to go that far and concerned about keeping wild animals as pets. and its not like chuie is going to be let roam the streets to maul anyone. he was one day old with no chance of survival and pauline and frank gave him a second chance in life. so maybe chuie if he could talk would totaly disagree with you,im sure if he and had the choice himself i think i know what he would choose. its the same old story with any animal its how the owner brings them up . so would you of rather he had been left to die because he had to be raised in captivity. and then where would it stop would you have to destroy all wild animals that are injured and not ever fit enough to be returned to the wild. all the good work of all these good people that do help these wild animals is very rarely appreciated well i hold my had off to all of them.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:37 pm 
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Macchiato.
Lighten up. :D

I am not saying Chuie will maul his owners, I am merely pointing out that someone who actually owns a male adult serval doesn't let it anywhere near her domestic cats, full stop, as she feels it is dangerous for her cats.

I have never had an adult serval and neither with respect probably have you nor have Frank and Pauline Turnock.
On reading the experiences of one who has indeed kept an adult serval, I personally, would not let an adult serval anywhere near my cats/small animals without extremely close supervision. I also wouldn't let any of my cats be exposed to certain dogs eg sight hounds and other dogs bred for hunting and catching small animals unless they were brought up with and respected cats, to answer another point raised. I know it is often how the animal is brought up, but there is also nature in the equation as well as nurture.

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and in this country all cats even moggies are still classed as wild animals.
Where does it say this? I have never heard this before.

Do not confuse the issue by bringing in the ethics of keeping wild animals in captivity or not. I totally agree with having wild animals in captivity if they have a better chance of living than in the wild. Without zoo breeding programs and the like, many animals would be extinct by now.
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so would you of rather he had been left to die because he had to be raised in captivity. and then where would it stop would you have to destroy all wild animals that are injured and not ever fit enough to be returned to the wild.
What are you talking about? :roll: I am a total animal lover not some deranged animal rights activist. I am a huge fan of Knut. :D

I have nothing against the Turnocks giving Chuie a home,
I reiterate:-
"it was merely an observation on the romantic vision of Chuie spending his life in the house cosily snuggling up to domestic cats."

Elsa


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:35 pm 
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Elsa

I would suggest it is you who needs to lighten up :D It wont be the first time you have upset someone on here with your opinions, will it?

Going back to your original post, I would suggest you were attempting to go much further than simply pass comment on the "romantic vision of Chuie spending his life in the house cosily snuggling up to domestic cats". You were questioning his whole future hence the reaction you have received from Macchiato. It does not take a genius to work out that if it were not for the Turnocks hand rearing Chuie and providing for him that he would have no future at all, does it!

You need to carefully consider your words when posting on here Elsa.


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I saw the pics of Chuie the serval in Cat World today, I think he is a marvellous beast but what does his future really hold being caged up for the rest of his life, as once he is sexually mature, he will not be lying on the sofa, with the other cats. Even the Exoticatz website says that she keeps her domestic cats away from her adult serval, as even just playing, he could do serious damage.

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