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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:54 pm 
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Bengal Cat

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Location: Leeds, England
We live in a very small house and with an "active" bengal, it can get very claustrophobic. We were still intending to keep our bengal indoors. However, as we have no porch, our bengal (james) recently escaped outside (he has become a lot more inquisitive since he has been introduces to outside whilst on a leash). He didn't go very far and i picked him up and took him back in.

The problem is, he always makes a dart for the door when it is opened. We are going to find it difficult to keep him inside now that he has had a taste of freedom.

I have read the pros and cons of indoor life versus outdoor life, and think although i would prefer to keep him indoors, our housing arrangement does not currently allow us to police his escape attempts as tightly as we would like to.

As he is inevitably going to make his was outside, i would like to know some tips on getting him to return home. I have never introduced a cat to going outside and therefore dont know wether to rely on his homing instincts or where to start.
Do i let him out for short periods to start off with? Do i drag him in whenever he is in sight? Do i let him come in of his own free will?

Basically what i need is a plan or some techniques that will allow me to end up with a cat that will go out, but that knows to return to it's home.


Thanks in advance

Adam


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:22 pm 
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Asian Leopard Cat

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Hi Adam

hows you?
how long has he been inside with you for as the longer they have been inside it is more probable that they will not stray too far!
The downside of him going out is not that he will not return to you ,but as bengals are a desirable cat to have,he could get stolen. it is not unheard of. :(
there are other ways of securing gardens ect like the roller fence ,where he could have free roam with out going out of your garden, and various other "safe cat" devices.

ultimately its your decision but take all the baring factors into consideration as bengals are extremely inquisitve as you know!
area, road traffic,disease :D
FG


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:15 pm 
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Bengal Cat

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We have a similar situation as we have a Bengal and Ragdolls.

Our garden is fully fenced so we do let them out the back while under supervision and a quick 20-30 minutes zooming about the back garden does seem to satisfy them and they dont run towards the door so much.

Interestingly, it is only the back patio door they try to get out of as we have always pushed them back if since kittens if they have tried the front door.

Im now buying a outside secure pen so they can spend more time outside safely.

The only problem I have found before is when I had my parents Ragdolls. They were use to going out before living with us so we let them use the cat flap. The problem is its OK if you live in a quiet cul-de-sac, etc but not so good if you live near a busy road. I also found at that time they would end up in our neighbours house as they were frienly cats, etc.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:51 pm 
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Asian Leopard Cat

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Hi Adam,

He will come back, if he is bonded with yourselves. He'll sit on the window and demand back in if it is cold or he is hungry, tired etc. If he can indeed get back to you.

But I would agree with FG, is it a sensible suggestion to let him out in the first place?

Do you live in a safe area? Cats can travel up to five miles in a night.

Town - busy roads, dangerous sites: building sites,factories, bad neighbours, cat theft of Bengals is quite common, disease, fighting with other cats, dogs, foxes, cat haters - some people object to the fact that the bird population will decrease or at the very least get scared off etc etc

Country - busy often faster roads, shooting parties, hunting, trapping of other animals - snares, gamekeepers, disease, also the same as in town, fighting with other cats, dogs, etc.

Can you bear it if he doesn't come back?
Fatal accidents, theft, getting lost if straying too far, finding he likes the neighbours house three streets away better than yours and you never find out, etc. etc.

There are loads of lost and found sites out there, all with sad stories of cats that never came back.

I would think very carefully.

Elsa

PS If you do let him out, don't make a big deal of getting him back in all the time, if you are continually dragging him into the house everytime he comes back, he will make a point of keeping just outside your range, until he is ready to come in by himself. Not good, if you really want him in in a hurry.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:09 pm 
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Bengal Cat

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Thanks for the replies so far

FG - We have had him since he was about 14 weeks and he is now 6months and has been neutered. We have tried to keep him inside for as long as poss. But because there aren't many rooms in the house, plus he's a nosey little beggar. The outside door (which opens directly into the living room) is easily accessed by him. So it's rather a case of accepting the inevitable. We dont intend to have him out all day everyday, but then we dont want to have to panic everytime he escapes.

Elsa - I hope he has bonded with me. When he is not having his mad half hours he quite happily sleeps on my or my partners lap. We do live in a safe area. There are other cats in close proximity though. If he travels five miles away he could encounter some busy roads.
I do appreciate your points about some of the dangers and these do worry me. But as long as i know he is going to come back if he gets out, i think i could cope with the stress.

I am really trying to come up with a strategy of how to let him out. If he gets out, do i just leave it until he returns? Or do i leave him out for a period of time then call him in?
Does he need to be hungry the first few times he goes out in order for him to come back and associate our house with warmth, food etc?



I was at work yesterday and the postman came. Whilst my partner answered the door he made a bolt for it. She decided not to drag him back in. After an hour she called him in and he came in of his own free will, which she praised him for and fed him. However, he did cry to get out again for the next hour. She just had to ignore him though.

We have taken him out a few times on his harness and lead, but this just means that he is keener to get out when he can to sniff and explore. It's a bit of a viscious circle.


Many thanks

Adam


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:25 pm 
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Bengal Cat

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Also, is it worth having some sort of refuge for him outside like some sort of cat kennel with a magnetic flap?

Sorry, ideas keep popping into my head. Life was simple pre james, but not as much fun.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:36 am 
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Bengal Kitten

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I'd have to agree with elsa213 and filthy_gorgeous on the dangers or risks of letting a cat go out. I wouldn't let my Vilma go out simply also because when I bought her I signed a contract saying I'd not let her go out. In Finland, I think, it's a common practice that breeders do not allow their kittens and cats to wander free outdoors. Also, by-laws (I wonder whether that is the correct word...) in some towns prohibit you from letting a pet go out.

Also, my sister's moggie disappeared a few years ago. They let him go out and they lived in a very quiet area. Nevertheless, I suppose he may have gotten lost also because he was so trusting - he was known to have gone to the neighbours' because they fed him and my sister had to go and pick him a couple of times.

If I let Vilma out I suppose she'd get lost immediately. :lol: She is so outgoing, trusting and adventurous that who knows where she might wander!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:44 pm 
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Indy lost his wanderlust after being neutered so I'm suprised your Bengal want to go out so much....but then they can be awkward characters.

A friend of ours recommends putting butter on their feet the first time they go out. Don' know why but her tabby comes home.

I'm not sure I would let Indy out unsupervised...worried he might get pinched!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:21 pm 
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Hi
Iv'e been breeding bengal's for about 8 year's now, mum who's about 4 now, and had 4 litter's of kitten's hate's being indoor's. during the day she's outside in the run and night time she's indoor's, soon as she come's in she's looking round all the window's to see if any are open?. and sit's at the window looking out into the garden, watching the other people's cat's coming and going. Iv'e decided to have her spayed this year and thinking of letting her out. so she can go and come as she please's. A few year's ago when she was pregnant she did get out and was gone for 2 day's. I was frantic, but she did eventualy come back.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:16 pm 
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Bengal Kitten

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Hi

what ever you do do not let you cat out on its own. I recently lost my little girl to a car knocking her down and we live in a very quiet cul de sac.

I am now in the process of building a luxury run on the back of my house so our boy can still get fresh air and sit in the sun safely.

Believe me people always do things when its TOO LATE. I know its easy for us to say dont let him out but i do agree an indoor cat is a safe cat.

There is nothing more in this world i would love more than to turn back time 2 weeks... believe me. its very very hard when they have gone.

Christian


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:01 pm 
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Senior Bengal

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Hiya :)
I very much agree with Christian on this. It really doesnt matter whether you live near a busy road or not! I live in a village. There is a 30 mph limit on the road outside the house. It is not very busy. I lost my first bengal last february. Curiosity for the outside, she opened a window and got out. A car killed her in the night. :cry:
NOTHING can compare with how I felt that morning when I got a phone call from a kind samaritan who had taken her body in. (She had a collar and ID on it).

Think carefully particularly if they are confident cats too. They have no road sense at all, so against a car they have little chance.

Julie


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:57 am 
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Have to agree completely with Christian and Lily, Our
Maine Coon cat was run over at Christmas, we weren't going to let him out he just found a way, so we just let him, wish we hadn't now as I miss him terribly.

Oska (our bengal kitten) and Harvey (our new maine coon) kitten are definetly not going out, we have built a run in the garden (i'm sure our neighbours think we are getting a monkey as it goes up a tree) as soon as the have sussed the cat flap (which are our moggies use to get out) it will be an in only cat flap.

Really couldn't go through getting a phone call off someone again.

I really would reconsider cats generally aren't road wise


Naomi


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:06 pm 
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Bengal Kitten

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My female bengal has now been spayed, so in the spring I'm looking at letting her go outside. When I'm out in the garden I'll take her out with me and see what happen's :?: . I've had cat's all my life siamese, moggy's who all were outdoor cat's they just followed me around the garden up and down the road and they've all been ok. so I'll see how It go's.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:54 pm 
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Bengal Cat

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I don't know about your bengals, but mine - from the day we've had them - were very friendly with us and with any of our visitors. My boy and girl are 6 months now, and we can take them to our friend's house and they sort of "move in" within 5 mins. They get used to new environments and people so fast, it's frightening. They even like the vet!

For that reason, I will not allow mine to go outside. They would easily go to other people who might like them a little too much...! I think this is the main risk with Bengals. A garden pen or similar would probably do the trick.


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