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 Post subject: Is This A Bengal???
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:56 pm 
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Bengal Kitten

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My bf found a kitten about 3 weeks ago, i just want to ask you
IS THIS A BENGAL CAT?
if it's not, what kind of cat is it?
if it's, what kind of bengal is it?
Please help.

thank you :D

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/ ... 2small.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/ ... ysmall.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/ ... 3small.jpg


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:09 pm 
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We need some more detailed imformation first of how you found this kitten?

Then I tell you what you have!


Something isn't quite right about this post.....anyone else?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:36 pm 
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Not a expert on wild cat kittens,but that looks like some type of wild cat to me.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:44 pm 
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I agree with Bullit and Meemonkey, this kitten looks like an ALC, no bengal,
and if the kitten was found, then the proper authority should have been contacted,you SHOULD NOT be keeping the kitten.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:47 pm 
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Sure looks like an ALC and the colors remind me of the northern ALC. ( Grayish-brown ) b. euptilura The Far Eastern forest cat, East Siberia
......I can not see the oceli on the ears.
where did you find him / her?
It looks about 2-3 months age tops.
Give us more details.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:50 pm 
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soory got my regions mixed up........maybe from .) north India to Indo-China and Yunnan
looks like a .) b. bengalensis to me.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:17 pm 
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honey........ALC = Asain leopard cat. If you are from Indonesia as your profile says......you are 100% sure to have an Asain leopard cat.
You will have to ask your boyfreind where he found it. He could be.........and I am sure is 100% wild.I got both the subspeices mixed up as I didnt know where you came from. The dark color at his /her age sort of gave me a hint.( northern ALC )

So the subspeices is : bengalensis . minuta Philippines . That is north of you. ( hence the bengal word in the bengalensis )
Your kitten will be about 9-10 pounds adult,,,if its a male.......7-9 pounds if it is a female.
You dont have a bengal, you have the ultimate '' founder '' of the bengal race. All '' bengals comes from an Asian leopard cat.....the first generations are called filial of '' F '' cats. EG : f1= first generation, F2= second generation .........ect..till the 5th generation, then you have the bengal '' race '' that started in the 1990 's.

He / she will be nice till about 6 -7 months. I have to warn you at that age watch out for thoses teeth.....they are twice the size of '' house'' cats.

Dont forget you have a ''wild '' kitten.........be calm,do not play with your hands..give him toys ...........pick him / her up often......bond with the kitten.Sleep with him / her. Feed your kitten cooked chicken.........and some raw chicken.......he / she will need it. But first and the most important......love the kitten,,,,,somehow the kitten was lost and needs you.
I hope you post soon..give us up-dates !

bcpp


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:36 am 
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wow... thanks you guys.
yes, i'm from Indonesia.
he found it at a ditch near his house.
It doesn't have sound like a cat, but like a little tiger (hissing sound).
It doesn't afraid of water like other cats do.
Is it dangerous to keep it?
when he first found it, it's a little wild but now it's quite tame.
What is the main differents that distinguish ALC from Bengal?
Sorry, i'm new in this.

Thank you...
i appreciate your help.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:24 am 
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hi
looking at the pictures and face (as much as you can see) it really looks like a fishing cat to me, with the colour and nose shape but it is really hard to see.

the paws in picutre 2 look that greyish colour that of the FC whereas the ALC would be lighter and spotted
also the head on the ALC is more rounded,i know the kitten is still developing but the shape doesn't look consistent in that of the ALC.

what does everyone else think?

perhaps clearer more detailed photos would help!

regards


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:47 am 
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Sorry but am i the only one who thinks keeping this kitten is wrong, taking
an animal from the wild is wrong, and if it had been abandend, the the proper
authority should have been contacted, everyone seems to be encouraging this person to keep the kitten, what happens when the kitten grows in to a young adult, and is to hard to handle, by then it would not know how to fend for it,s self in the wild.
You need to seriously think about what your doing, all baby animals are cute, but they all grow up, what future does this animal really have living in your home, and how long are you really prepared to keep it.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:36 pm 
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Thank's a lot

Learn a lot from you guys... :D


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I hope you do the right thing by this kitten.....now you know what it is!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:46 pm 
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Hi,
I don't post often, as my full family of furry kids (Bengals and DSH rescues) keep me pretty busy when I'm not at work, or spending increasing amounts of time as the Deep South Bengal Cat Rescue Network Area Coordinator.

I have to agree, this is pretty obviously an ALC. I couldn't discern, for sure, what sub-species this kitten may be. He does look a LOT like my F1 did, at that age.

What disturbs me in this thread is how many people in the group feel that the kitten MUST be turned over to authorities. If turned over to authorities, he could be euthanized or possibly put into a small cage for the remainder of his life.

If he is "bonding" with you or a member of your family - it is entirely possible to make him a pet - IF you are willing to study and LEARN as much as possible about their habits and personality traits. I know at least TWO people who have ALC's and if raised from such a young age, are totally dependent on their "people" they will OFTEN bond with ONE person, and be reluctant to allow OTHERS to handle them, but can be trained to live in your home.

The first thing I would encourage is to check both the internet AND local vets and other places where there may be an advertisement or flyers. There might even be a reward offered for the kitten, if he was lost from his owners. It is entirely possible that someone is LOOKING for this beautiful kitten.

They DO require a more specific diet and supplements, to remain healthy.

I have an F1 - and like this kitten, he really doesn't SOUND like a regular cat, and his personality is MUCH different than my other Bengals, AND my DSH rescues... but he LOVES the other cats, and he is totally bonded to me.

I do feed him a lot of raw, and supplement his diet with Apperon products, and feed him Mazuri small exotic dry, as a supplement to the raw.... but honestly -- he LOVES Fancy Feast canned food with gravy, and often joins the other cats in eating whatever they are eating.

He DOES have somewhat peculiar potty habits, as he prefers to urinate in water, (most times, my toilet - but sometimes in my tub or bathroom sink). He was raised in the breeders home, and does still use a litterbox to "poop" -- and he does "cover" it, when he uses the litterbox.

I do NOT consider him to be dangerous -- though is seems MUCH more intelligent, curious and mischievious than my other cats.

My F1 is barely 8 pounds, and has never OFFERED to bite me -- and even begrudgingly allows his nails to be manicured (snipping off the sharp TIPS) but being careful to not nip the "quick" -- so that he doesn't accidently scratch me when leaping in and out of my lap, in play.

He has never HURT any of my other pets, and seems particularly bonded with my oldest DSH rescue -- though he also grooms, plays and sleeps with any of my other cats.

I hope you do try to find out if someone is LOOKING for the cat, as if they purchased the cat, I'm sure they probably are desparate to find him. But if he was "lost" from his mother at such a young age, and is bonding with you, I would have a very hard time turning him over to authorities not knowing what his fate would be.

Just my opinion.

LaVon


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:09 pm 
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my point was just that i think it is very wrong to take an animal from the wild, without knowing for sure that the animal had been abandond by it's mother,
it seems to me that some people hear on the forum are to keen (sometimes) to put people down for having an opinion, or even for not having a true bengal,
and granted i obviously know very little about the ' authorities ' in Indonesia,
and for the kitten to be caged, sold or even killed is last thing anyone would want to see, but the fact still remains, that a baby WILD cub was taken from the wild, without knowing for sure that it had been abandoned by it's mother, and that is wrong

just my opinion


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:19 am 
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The fact now that it came from the wild is now irrelevant now that it has tamed down.
So we will just put it back in the ditch it came from or hand it over to the authorities, I think not.

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What disturbs me in this thread is how many people in the group feel that the kitten MUST be turned over to authorities. If turned over to authorities, he could be euthanized or possibly put into a small cage for the remainder of his life.


I agree with LaVon that its fate may not be so rosy if handed over. I think that if possible you should keep him/her, (making sure no one is actually looking for their lost pet,). If he/she becomes too difficult to handle in the future there must I am sure have folks who are knowledgeable about these cats in your country just like there are here and in the US. This is a kitten and has not really formed an opinion of where it should be in the world and I think it would be quite happy to live with you as a much loved pet. (By the way see www.exoticcatz.com/btplaybiting.html re some advice concerning play biting in exotic felines, I have no experience but it sounds good advice)

I think that too much emphasis is placed on the importance of being "wild" as far as I can see "it is a jungle out there" and I do not mean only Indonesia.

Most wild creatures have a reduced life span if indeed they manage to have any life at all being often gobbled up or starve to death as babies. They are often riddled with disease or parasites or suffer long periods of starvation.

I know a rescue that releases orphan fox cubs into the "wild", not many actually survive the first year and that is preparing them as well as they can and releasing them into a "safe" location.

It is lovely and romantic to see wild animals in their natural surroundings but the reality for these animals is not so happy. I would think a lot of them would prefer the warmth, shelter and safety, of a domestic existence.

Some people think that sheep prefer being outside in the fields eating grass, fresh air and being "free". Show them a shed and they will all be inside "like a shot", lying in the comparative warmth, chewing their cuds, in no hurry to be "released".

Wild cats are not sheep, I realise, but I would personally like to see the kitten safe at all costs and putting it back in the wild or handing it over to the authorities are not I feel the "safest" options.


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