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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:59 pm 
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BACKYARD BREEDERS AND FREE-ADS

A prospective kitten buyer’s first port of call is often the papers offering advertising for free such as Free-ads and the many free online advertisement websites such as Pets4homes, Preloved, Craigslist, Gumtree etc.
You would think this would be the ideal place to find your pedigree kitten, but BEWARE. Contrary to being the ideal one-stop shop for buyers, these are often also the ideal one-stop shop for unscrupulous kitten sellers too. These are known as ‘backyard breeders’ and they sell under-age, unregistered, unvaccinated and often sick and unhealthy kittens.
Some reputable registered breeders also use these paths for selling kittens and these decent breeders generally stand out a mile from the backyard breeders. But don’t be confused, even if the seller is a registered breeder, it does not necessarily follow that they are reputable and do everything properly.
A backyard breeder’s main interest is money. Unfortunately, this is usually at the expense of the health of the kittens they are selling. They will sell to anyone who is willing to part with their cash and sell to anyone regardless of the type of environment the kitten will end up in.

Here are some warning signs to look out for:

Re-homing before the age of 12 weeks:

The Registration Authorities, GCCF, TICA, FIFE and GCCFI (Ireland), stipulate that their registered breeders are breaking their Code of Ethics if they allow kittens to leave for their new homes before the age of between 12 or 13 weeks depending on the Registry, and if they find a breeder doing so the breeder may be disciplined by the Registering Authority should they find out. Many backyard breeders sell their kittens way before this age, usually as young as 8 weeks old.

Unvaccinated:

Registration Authorities stipulate that kittens go to their new homes after having their two sets of vaccinations, usually at the ages of 8 weeks and 12 weeks, and some Registries recommend that the kitten should not go to their new home for 7 days after the course has ended.
A breeder who doesn’t adhere to this could be endangering the kitten’s future life by sending it out into the world without the immunisation it desperately needs and could be disciplined by the Registering Authority should they find out. This type of breeder also has little or no consideration of genetic or health problems in the breed.

Registered or not:

For whatever reason the backyard breeder tells you, if the kitten’s mother and father are registered and on the Active Register, there is NO reason why your kitten shouldn’t come to you already registered by one of the Registering Authorities and with a Pedigree Certificate with at least 3 generations of ancestors.

Backyard breeders sell unregistered kittens for a number of reasons:

The mother and/or the father aren’t registered.
If either the mother or father or both aren’t registered by one of the Registering Authorities, none of their offspring can be registered either. No kittens can be registered with any Registering Authority if this is the case.

The mother and/or father are registered but on the Non-Active register.
This means that they were sold as pets and no progeny from them can ever be registered. In other words, a reputable breeder may have sold the mother and/or father as pets and it would stipulate on their registration slip that the kitten is on the Non-Active register. This is because they are of inferior quality to that expected of the breed. Unfortunately some dishonest people will tell a reputable breeder that they want a kitten as a pet only. They do this because they get the kitten at ‘pet price’ knowing full well that they will flout the Kitten Contract they sign with the breeder that states that the kitten has to be neutered by a certain date. They later breed from their inferior kitten knowing that they can’t register any kittens or sell them via the Breed Club websites. Consequently the backyard breeder will then tell a prospective buyer that they are selling the kittens unregistered because that way they can sell them cheaper, whereas in fact it costs only approx £9 per kitten to register with the GCCF! It won’t be till later, if the new owners try to register their kitten, that they find out the truth. They won’t get any recourse from the backyard breeder, who was previously all sweetness, and who is now silent or abusive and won’t want to have anything more to do with you now that they have pocketed your hard earned cash.

Remember, if your kitten isn’t registered you will never know if you have a pedigree kitten or not.

Cross-breeding:

Another reason a backyard breeder is so called and cannot sell their kittens via the legitimate route is because they are cross-breeding. This means that they are crossing a pedigree cat of one breed to either a pedigree cat of a different breed or to a bog standard everyday moggy. Apart from a myriad of health risks, all you end up with is a non-pedigree kitten, or in other words, a moggy.

Once again, remember, if your kitten isn’t registered you will never know if you have a pedigree kitten or not.

Websites:

A lot of backyard breeders have their own fancy websites and some are elaborate and highly convincing. But BEWARE, this does not mean they are a legitimate breeder.
It just means they are good on the computer!

All the above send backyard breeders to the freead papers and free advertising websites, SO BEWARE. Study the advert closely to decipher whether the seller is a reputable breeder or a backyard breeder – the signs are there if you look closely, or if you don’t get the right answers when you phone them.

A tip for you: :wink:

If you see an advert on one of the free advertising websites with a phone number, type the number into Google and see how many times it comes up. If there are loads and loads of results showing, with different breeds of kittens and cross-bred kittens, I would steer well clear – it’s sure to be a backyard breeder advertising!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:14 pm 
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great post :)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:20 pm 
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I feel as if this was a long time coming.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:39 pm 
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Excellent post and couldnt agree more its been a long time coming :)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:01 pm 
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Excellent information! I wish someone had told me these things when I was first looking for a kitten!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:35 pm 
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*raises hand* vote to sticky!

*edit

Oh it is already haha!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:36 pm 
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Love it! Excellent Post!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:46 pm 
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Hi everyone. I have read this forum now and again and decided to finally join, as this topic is one that I have spent a lot of time addressing. I have had numerous people contacting me, that have lost kittens, due to dying and illnesses, and others that have been, for want of a better word, 'ripped off' by these unscrupulous BYB's.

I have an advice page on my website, that I always direct people to and even when I get general enquiries, I always try and get people to read the advice, before they are parted with their hard earned cash by the con artists, All of our kittens leave us with a contact and if it were to be breached (to date, we have a 100% record of neutering/spaying of pets), I would have no hesitation in taking the person to court, to recover the costs, as agreed in the contract, as well as the kitten/cat and any progeny. Most breeders are trying their best, but I feel too many people have gotten their hands on Bengals, with an ulterior motive, i.e, they think they can make a quick buck. But they do not realise the damage they could be doing, to the cats, their off-spring, as well as the new owners that they take in & con. All of my Savannah's leave me neutered/spayed, in order to prevent the same thing happening to this breed (it is already, to some degree, even with the breed in its infancy).

Please take some time to read the advice page and hopefully it will prevent people following the same path as many others before them. Here is the link:

http://www.sonnenblume-bengals.co.uk/advice.php


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:14 pm 
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Sonnenblume wrote:
Hi everyone. I have read this forum now and again and decided to finally join, as this topic is one that I have spent a lot of time addressing. I have had numerous people contacting me, that have lost kittens, due to dying and illnesses, and others that have been, for want of a better word, 'ripped off' by these unscrupulous BYB's.

I have an advice page on my website, that I always direct people to and even when I get general enquiries, I always try and get people to read the advice, before they are parted with their hard earned cash by the con artists, All of our kittens leave us with a contact and if it were to be breached (to date, we have a 100% record of neutering/spaying of pets), I would have no hesitation in taking the person to court, to recover the costs, as agreed in the contract, as well as the kitten/cat and any progeny. Most breeders are trying their best, but I feel too many people have gotten their hands on Bengals, with an ulterior motive, i.e, they think they can make a quick buck. But they do not realise the damage they could be doing, to the cats, their off-spring, as well as the new owners that they take in & con. All of my Savannah's leave me neutered/spayed, in order to prevent the same thing happening to this breed (it is already, to some degree, even with the breed in its infancy).

Please take some time to read the advice page and hopefully it will prevent people following the same path as many others before them. Here is the link:

http://www.sonnenblume-bengals.co.uk/advice.php


I just wondered why you dont neuter the bengals to before leaving? Just the savs? I understand the 100% I had that to until someone decided not to and it ended up in court, we won, they sold the cat as they couldnt breed! Then another 2 'can we just do 1 mating, they are such sute cats will make cute babies' questions, both were neutered when I said no though, so all my kittens go netuered now!

Recently spoke to a few freinds and one of them sold a bengal, the women stopped contact then said the kitten died so they couldnt neuter it, roll on 10months later the women was selling un reg 'bengals' from said kitten!

Then another few breeders had the same thing happen, the people who bought a kitten sent confirmation of neutering... wasnt of the correct cat though! They didnt realise until again they see the people breeding!

Cant beleive how sneeky and underhanded some people will be, just to have a litter and not do it properly. I know a few who do micro-chip and the vet has to scan that upon neutering to prove its the correct kitten, I always contacted the vet after and asked about the neutering if it was correct etc
They recover so quick as kittens I do they all, saves the new owners stress etc :D

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Great thread hope you dont mind if I link it to my website? :D

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:27 am 
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Something else to ask is how many litters the MUm has had.. Ask to see copies of any health screening. if they dont screen ask why?

Unfortunatly some that i consider "dodgy" show and have websites that a used car salesman would be proud of...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:27 pm 
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wmk wrote:
Something else to ask is how many litters the MUm has had.. Ask to see copies of any health screening. if they dont screen ask why?

Unfortunatly some that i consider "dodgy" show and have websites that a used car salesman would be proud of...

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Just because you show doesnt make you a good breeder either :(

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:26 pm 
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Thats what i mean. I can name several that show, not just Bengals but for instance Maine Coons, that are nothing more than BYB's..
Indeed, more than one has been suspended from registries for selling sick kittens etc yet, once suspension has been served they have continued as before. One Breeder in fact is bragging on her website that she has served her ban and is back! Another brags that she spends 1000's on cat shows to get low level titles as the "public" think this means they are legit!

Whilst other Breeders are selling Active Studs and Queens to these people we have no real chance of stopping registered BYB's.. Too many people are willing to sell to whomever for money. It is a sad state of affairs when people care more about money than the homes their cats are going to...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:39 pm 
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This is a growing epidemic it is really sad. Through a lot of research with looking into getting a new kitten I havefound that out of six "registered breeders" in Tennessee only one test for Pk- Def and HCM!!! What was really sad is I talked to a lady or women about her kittens she had for sale and they were 1000 per kitten for a marble and 1500 for rosettes and she didnt even know what HCM was and had only heard recently about Pk-def!!! I was in total shock I know not all breeders screen for health but it takes it to another level when they dont even know what the health risk are for the breed they are "devoted" to. Its really sick to be honest! I think all we can do as pet owners is to educate those that we can and hope they listen. Truth is I dont think many buyers care as long as they save a few hundred or really not even that anymore. I know many many breeders that dont screen for HCM and they sale their kittens for 600-1200 and the one that is here that test sales his for as little as 500 it goes to show who is in it for money.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:36 pm 
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My breeder sends them home at 10 weeks, and she seems legit enough. I suppose I could ask her to send the kitten home at 12 weeks, vs 10 weeks ? Would the two week difference make an impact ?

Never mind, I misread my contract. The 10 weeks is when I have to pay my breeder the remaining balance, and not when the kitten is due.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:58 am 
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My breeder is registered with NSWCFA and their code of ethics states no earlier than 10 weeks. A Victorian group also states 10 weeks.... But most breeders I have looked into will not allow kittens to go until 12 weeks. My breeder will let males go at 10 weeks but this is reliant on them weighing enough to meet the requirement for anaesthetic for their operation and being emotionally mature enough to leave their littler with minimum stress. She goes by each individual kitten. She won't let females go before 12 weeks and will hold any kitten longer if they don't meet all her requirements until they are ready.

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