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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:23 pm 
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It seems my hope of saving up to $150 has gone right out the window. Someone suggested to that I take the train to go visit my mother, and see if Via Rail would let you bring a pet. So I checked it out, and they do. I even compared the price to Greyhound and it was a tad cheaper the trip itself. I even have a Cat carrier I could of used. The website was being all wonky, and giving me a different price then what it showed when I check on my cell phone.

So I called them up and mentioned that I wanted to bring my cat home with me, and that’s when I found out I couldn’t for the Kitchener to Toronto leg. Turns out the train on that route, does not have a luggage car. I was like ugh.. The only option left for me is somehow find someone to drive me from Kitchener to Toronto, where I can get on a train that actually has a luggage car.
Go Train could be a option as well, I have to call a couple times and find out. I rather call a couple times to make sure I’m getting a consistent answer. You call 5x and 3/5 will say yes, and 2/5 will say no. It’s frustrating knowing I will be in the same city as my kitty, but I can’t bring her back home with me.. *sigh*

From the Go Train site "We allow animals on board our trains and buses when they are in enclosed, secure containers that do not inconvenience other passengers. Containers are not needed for seeing-eye, hearing-ear, or special-needs dogs required by passengers for independent travel."

It sounds like I can, but I want to make sure I don't get turned out when I go to leave.



Do you have any other breeders that are more local to you ? Perhaps you could wait a bit and find a kitten much closer so no need to travel that far

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:50 pm 
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Oh no! :shock: That looks like a really COLD and NOISY and FEARFUL ride for any little kitten to endure. :shock:

Please reconsider your commuting plans and either find a way to drive there or fly in and out with a cab for land transport. You are potentially setting yourself and especially this kitten up for a disaster... respiratory problems, urinary issues, and a psychological nightmare (and not necessarily in that order).

Personally, I'm surprised any quality breeder would go along with your present transport plan.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:37 pm 
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I'm allowed to bring the cat with me on the City Bus in Kitchener, and the GO train. The only part of the trip that I cannot, is from Toronto to Ottawa. The only reason I even thought of the train, is because I'm going to be visiting my mother for Easter anyway. I figured I might as well see if I can bring home the kitten with me.

I don't even have a license and I wont be able to convince my Breeder to drive 533/331 miles each way. That's over 10 hours of driving. For the luggage car, I don't know what it looks like inside really. I just got whatever pictures I could find on Google Image, and I'm pretty sure they would have the pet/pet's secure. I've heard of people checking up on the animals during the trip, so I might be able to do that. As for flying, unless it takes 6 hours from the time you bring the pet to the airport, and the pet is brought into the Ottawa Airport, then I don't think it would be quicker.

The breeder does ship out the cat's, but it's at a $200 cost roughly. However as I mentioned, train or plane it's going to be stressful for the kitty. At least with the train, I'm right there to get her from the train. She doesn't have to wait in a crowded airport. Both however, have their Advantages and disadvantages. I do have a breeder only about a 1 hours drive from my place. However, it's quite the price difference. She is asking $400 min more then my breeder, and if I take away shipping cost then it goes up to $600. I've done my homework on my breeder and she has been a breeder for several years with no issues. I've seen parts of her home via some You Tube Video's and it's looks very nice, and clean.

I've already bought my train ticket, with bringing the kitten home with me in mind. The train had a seat sale, and Sunday was the last night so I had to jump on it. People travel with the pets on Via all the time. I'll see if I can get more info on the car, see what the temp would be like. The noise level etc etc.

EDIT: I got this from the VIA Rail Pet Policy. " On Toronto – Vancouver, Montréal – Gaspé and Montréal – Halifax trains, you are permitted to occasionally visit and tend to your animal during the trip when you are accompanied by a VIA Rail employee. Please contact your Service Attendant immediately upon boarding to discuss a schedule for visits. Please note that this schedule will be subject to normal train operations. Should train operations be affected in any way, every effort will be made to ensure you can tend to your animal.

On several trains, you are permitted to visit your animal during the trip when you are accompanied by a Service Manager."

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:55 am 
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Do you know if the train carriage that they will travel in is heated? If not, a small kitten could suffer as trains are cold. It is also far noisier on a train than in a plane so the stress may be quite a lot on a young kitten.

How old will they be when you collect them? This will have a big issue on how they cope with the noise, stress and temperature.

Also, do remember that you will not be familiar to your kitten so you visiting them may not make them any happier.

How long is the whole journey for them? From breeder to your home?

Does the breeder know your plans? I ask because i am sure they would want to know and i wouldn't want it to cause you problems with the health agreement.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:29 am 
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Does the breeder know your plans? I ask because i am sure they would want to know and i wouldn't want it to cause you problems with the health agreement.


Yes she does, and has no problems with it.

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Do you know if the train carriage that they will travel in is heated? If not, a small kitten could suffer as trains are cold. It is also far noisier on a train than in a plane so the stress may be quite a lot on a young kitten.


Yes it's heated, and it's a walled off section, from the luggage itself. The would not allow the pets to travel, if it wasn't. ( I called and asked them)

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How old will they be when you collect them? This will have a big issue on how they cope with the noise, stress and temperature.


She will be 92 days/ 3 months and 2 days old.

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Also, do remember that you will not be familiar to your kitten so you visiting them may not make them any happier.


The kitten will be spending little over 12 hours with me at first, not counting when I go to visit her for the first time. I plan to bring a small blanket up with me with, and leaving it with the breeder so it has my scent and picks up the scents in the house. Then, when I'm ready to pick her up and go home, it should have collected some scents. There is going to be around 4-5 days from when I visit her, and then pick her up. I could even mail out a blanket a couple weeks ahead of time.

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How long is the whole journey for them? From breeder to your home?


Technically ? 19 hours, but that includes picking her up, staying overnight at my mom's. Then traveling with her on my lap to Toronto, then she is by herself for about 7 hours. You have to check the pet 1 hour before you board the train.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:58 am 
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I think the cat will be fine :)
I've flown with my cats, with them in the hold section of the plane and they coped just fine.
Alex flew from London to Australia - that's over 24 hours and he's still kicking

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:42 am 
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I'm going to say it because everyone else has thought it, but been too polite! :shout:

If you're that worried about saving $150, should you even be buying a Bengal?? They are expensive cats to purchase, require good quality food, good quality toys and lots of your time!

Have you looked at coach connections for the part of the trip that requires travelling in the baggage van? Calling it OK because it's a stripped out passenger van doesn't get away from the fact that no-one will be there to make sure the kitten is safe and well, and not actually terrified!

I shall sit back and await the blast with interest..... :popcorm1:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:13 am 
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Fenstar wrote:
I think the cat will be fine :)
I've flown with my cats, with them in the hold section of the plane and they coped just fine.
Alex flew from London to Australia - that's over 24 hours and he's still kicking


was Alex that young age when he flown?
I think the young kitten will be terrified, as it will be her first time out of the breeders house and straight into the train . I am worried it could affect her in the long term.
My boy Clive is very confident and dominant and is up to everything and everywhere. Even then, when he arrived to us at 3 months old, he was so scared to come out and stayed in his safe room for over 24 hours. and that was safe comfortable room with everything he ever needed and his own blanket
I would strongly recommend the author looks for alternative ways to get a kitten from a more local breeders.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:23 am 
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jodonut99 wrote:
I'm going to say it because everyone else has thought it, but been too polite! :shout:

If you're that worried about saving $150, should you even be buying a Bengal?? They are expensive cats to purchase, require good quality food, good quality toys and lots of your time!

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I agree.
this is only the purchase price. what will happen should you need to do some expensive vets visits ?
one of our visits to cardiologist costed us approx £800 with travel. will you be able to cover for that if you need it ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:30 am 
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OP I Googled and it's about a 5 hour drive from Ottawa to Kitchener is that right? Can you do some serious bribing? Convince a friend with a car (or one who can rent a car) to come to your Mom's for Easter? Promise a fun road trip and good night out in Toronto over the long weekend or something :dance4: !

Then you can simply bring the cat back in the car, which would be the best option.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:28 pm 
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This suggestion is a bit out there but you never know........

Is there anyone in Ottawa or area picking up a kitten from the same litter?

I actually did this for someone else when I got Pippa my tonk from her breeder. A week before I was due to pick her up the breeder called me and said there was a girl in Ottawa who had lost her ride and couldn't pick her kitten up and could I pick it up and deliver it to her. At the time I still had transportation so I agreed. It meant I had to go meet the girl first and get her money to pay the remainder and get her carrier, of course there had to be a great deal of trust on both sides.

We got home late at night with 2 kittens and the next day arranged to meet her in Ottawa where she was overjoyed to receive her beautiful baby.

Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable being on the other side of the deal - the one waiting for the kitten. Like I said it's a bit out there but is a possibility.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:39 pm 
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jodonut99 wrote:
I'm going to say it because everyone else has thought it, but been too polite! :shout:
If you're that worried about saving $150, should you even be buying a Bengal?? They are expensive cats to purchase, require good quality food, good quality toys and lots of your time!


Of course I was thinking this too. And I have a guess as to why this particular breeder was chosen now. But I will say though that I was young and foolish and broke once too and I probably would have contemplated a hair-brained scheme like this myself before I knew any better. That doesn't mean that it's not a "train wreck waiting to happen" (excuse the pun) though.

Now I REALLY think you should consider insurance. What *are* you going to do when you finally get your kitten home, and it has TF or a food allergy, or any number of other things?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:14 pm 
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ugh I give up, I'm not going to keep posting on a forum that's on a witch hunt, and coming really close to accusing me of damn well animal abuse. Also, I've already gave my deposit, so unless you are willing to give back that $200, then I'm committed to buying the kitty. So with that, I'm out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:14 am 
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ugh I give up, I'm not going to keep posting on a forum that's on a witch hunt, and coming really close to accusing me of damn well animal abuse. Also, I've already gave my deposit, so unless you are willing to give back that $200, then I'm committed to buying the kitty. So with that, I'm out.


Have to say that you should have done a hell of a lot more research before committing to buy from so far away.

All the advice you have received is concern for the kittens wellbeing which you have totally ignored.

Your choice to leave the forum but don't try to lay the blame with other people.


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Gnexus01 wrote:
ugh I give up, I'm not going to keep posting on a forum that's on a witch hunt, and coming really close to accusing me of damn well animal abuse. Also, I've already gave my deposit, so unless you are willing to give back that $200, then I'm committed to buying the kitty. So with that, I'm out.


Have to say that you should have done a hell of a lot more research before committing to buy from so far away.

All the advice you have received is concern for the kittens wellbeing which you have totally ignored.

Your choice to leave the forum but don't try to lay the blame with other people.


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I should of unsubed from the form, and it's not just "me", I linked this entire topic to a couple friends. The general consensus was that I "shouldn't bother with these idiots", and that is the polite version. You wouldn't want to know what my buddy had to say. He is married, is a Telescope Salesman and has a kid of his own. I'm not ignoring anything, there is nothing wrong with what I want to do. People have there cat's shipped world wide, so I don't think it's fair or right for anyone to tell me what breeder I should pick and shouldn't. Why should I pay $600 more for a kitten, when I get one from a good breeder who wants less ? Doesn't make much sense does it ? This isn't the first cat I've had, so I know how deal with cat's overall. She will be fine, and she wont have any "long term effects" as it's claimed. The 6 hours on the train by herself isn't the end of the world, so stop over playing it. So if you think It's such a crime, and that I'm going to be abusing the animal then pick up the phone call PETA or whoever. This is my last reply, and hopefully I don't get another email saying someone replied.

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