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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:52 pm 
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Hello,

I have a question that I have been meaning to ask for a while.

I think Siamese are gorgeous... However I prefer the Siamese that have a really long face and the ones that have an athletic body and short fur. the ones I like seem to be GIANT as well.

Some Siamese I have seen look like normal cats with siamese colouring. Can anyone tell me the genetic difference and if they have a different name. Here is a link to the Siamese that I LOVE

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=siames ... Jj90hjwEBM:

Here is the link to the one I do not love lol
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=siames ... x17--YZNuM:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:53 pm 
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My link thing didn't work properly but I am sure it's obvious :(


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:17 am 
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I think you do not like the old fashioned 'applehead shaped' ones??
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=apple ... 66&bih=653

Sometimes referred to as Thai now when bred.

The Siamese you like is the newer more 'trendy' look that breeders go for with a pronounced wedge and wide placed (bat like) ears.

I believed they have just evolved to look more angular through selected mating.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:48 am 
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My old flatmate from about 5 years ago had a siamese I used to call wedge head.

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Poor cat had so many behavioural issues it just wasn't funny. Probably because its human mother didn't spend any time with it :( It pretty much miaowed 24/7.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:19 am 
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I used to own a Siamese growing up, so my feedback here is solely based on personal experience and various tidbits I've read here and there...

The Siamese you're talking about is called a Modern Siamese cat, as opposed to the fuller looking traditional siamese or thai siamese (Applehead Siamese as mentioned by lollo2304)

However, I would say either of them is a giant cat. Other pointed breeds like the Ragdoll can grow to enormous sizes but they are a crossed with other pointed breeds as well and have a medium length fur. Like Hemingway below :)

I wouldn't expect there to be many behavioural differences between the two varieties.

In general, the siamese are a very vocal cat breed (It'll converse with you if you can decipher what it's trying to say) that'll love to be right in the middle of the action. They'll gladly follow you around the house like a little dog and really don't do well being left alone for long periods of time.

I miss Sims :(
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:32 am 
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My Neytiri is an Oriental Shorthair (basically a "colored" Siamese... except that she has the classic siamese coloring anyway :roll:). Oriental shorthairs have the siamese heritage, all the siamese behaviors, and I believe that is the look that you like, but are cross-bred to achieve lots of cool colors and patterns.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFkmdIbBX60

She is a really really fun cat. Really big personality. She's the "evil mastermind" of my threesome of cats. She's very cuddly, always all over me, purring and "talking". She explores all over, is super-inquisitive, and into everything. She's also very active and playful, although definitely lacks the Bengal's athleticism. She also does real well with the bengals. They play rough, and she sometimes cries and complains, but then next thing you know, there she is sleeping with them, or pouncing on them to start up another game.

I had never seen an Oriental before, but a friend of mine recommended them to me which got me interested. I can't imagine not having an Oriental from now on :)

Here's my breeder:
http://availability.monroviacattery.com/

To give you some idea of some of the options.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:33 am 
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brianj12 wrote:

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Awww... i love Neytiri!!!

And Fenstar, Mr Bigglesworth is gorgeous. Very like a Tabby tonkinese but just a bit too wedgey!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:30 am 
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http://www.life-with-siamese-cats.com/t ... -cats.html
This explains the different looks, the wedge shaped is the modern take on the breed, developed by breeder selection.

This is the original Siamese cat.
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As any altering of skull shape impacts on the brain, the cervical spine and the function of the nose and sinuses, the more extreme shapes are a bit of a worry as regards health.
The altering of body conformation to produce more and more extreme shape, is also an issue.
Breeders always tend to lean towards the extreme, where the Siamese skull will end up is anyone's guess?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:44 am 
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I really don't like whats been done to the Siamese personally :?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:37 pm 
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brianj12 wrote:
My Neytiri is an Oriental Shorthair (basically a "colored" Siamese... except that she has the classic siamese coloring anyway :roll:). Oriental shorthairs have the siamese heritage, all the siamese behaviors, and I believe that is the look that you like, but are cross-bred to achieve lots of cool colors and patterns.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFkmdIbBX60

She is a really really fun cat. Really big personality. She's the "evil mastermind" of my threesome of cats. She's very cuddly, always all over me, purring and "talking". She explores all over, is super-inquisitive, and into everything. She's also very active and playful, although definitely lacks the Bengal's athleticism. She also does real well with the bengals. They play rough, and she sometimes cries and complains, but then next thing you know, there she is sleeping with them, or pouncing on them to start up another game.

I had never seen an Oriental before, but a friend of mine recommended them to me which got me interested. I can't imagine not having an Oriental from now on :)

Here's my breeder:
http://availability.monroviacattery.com/

To give you some idea of some of the options.


Brian Neytiri is fab! Love the shape of her head. I prefer the modern ones than the original ones. They look more sleek and more naughty when they have the big bat ears and triangle shaped head :lol:

I really want a Tonk and a modern Siamese when we move house. We already have two Bengals but when we move I wanted to get two more cats but different. I think a Tonk and a Siamese will fit in nicely but I need to research more. My other half has only just agreed we can get a third cat when we move : )

Thanks for your advice everyone. If anyone knows any good Modern Siamese breeders in the UK that would be appreciated. I already know where I will be getting my Tonk from.... You know who you are :D


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:41 am 
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lollo2304 wrote:
And Fenstar, Mr Bigglesworth is gorgeous. Very like a Tabby tonkinese but just a bit too wedgey!


Yeah he was like a tabby tonk! It's a shame he was such a damaged cat, I really liked him but he was such hard work. My flatmate ended up giving him away because she realised she was doing him no favours.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:32 am 
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Aww.. he is so gorgeous. I hope he found a nice new home with lots of well deserved attention.

exoticcatlover - i wonder where you might get a tonk from :roll:

You might like this artist:
http://www.suzannelegoodcats.com/

She is often at the Supreme Cat show. I always love her stuff!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:51 pm 
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Some of the modern Siamese can look a bit too extreme IMO but I do love the big ears. I think Neytiri is a gorgeous example of a modern oriental/Siamese without being too exaggerated. I prefer the Tonkinese breed on the whole as I've seen some very extreme examples of Siamese. I wonder if they were crossed back with a tonkinese they may retain a more moderate wedge & better looks but keep their bat like ears :lol: I suppose it's all down to personal taste really. I always prefer the leaner looking bengals on here that have oversized ears, which I know is a fault but hey! It's very wrong to breed the siamese with such an exaggerated wedge if they're having nasal problems etc though. :(

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:29 pm 
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Yes I agree, I do love leaner looking cats. That's why I like Tonks and Siamese.
I do like the wedge heads though and the huge bat ears : )


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:55 pm 
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I prefer the original looking Siamese, always remember the 2 'evil' ones from lady and the tramp :lol:

My old neighbor had 2 Siamese and 2 Burmese, the Siamese were the bosses, esp the female Siamese, crossed her path and you knew about it :shock:

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