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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:45 pm 
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I am truly shocked, like Miki and piggle 13, by the comments about lack of sympathy for people who let their cats out and they go missing. Would the same be true for saying to people who feed dry food only that it serves them right if their cat develops kidney problems??


Yes. If you choose not to give your cat their natural diet, and feed something that is known to be related to kidney problems, and your cat gets kidney problems, I'm sure why I should say, "poor you."

People can do what they like with their cats, and put them in higher risk situations if they like. But there are obvious potential consequences, and when the consequences occur, I'm not sure why I'm a terrible person for thinking, "Well you knew it could happen, if you were going to get this upset you shouldn't have done it."

I know I would be destroyed if I found one of my cats dead by the side of the road, so they don't go out to the road. Simples.



Its called compassion towards our fellow pet owners.

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:52 am 
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miki129 wrote:
Its called compassion towards our fellow pet owners.


Completely agree.

Personally i can't ever think of a situation where i would struggle to be sympathetic towards someone who has a lost a pet and are devastated by it. It is such a terrible thing to go through and however the pet is lost / killed, that person deserves compassion and understanding, not judgement. As i said before, accidents can also happen in the home, so i don't see why accidents outside the home deserve any less sympathy.

I can see both sides of the argument completely, and i respect people's choices to either keep their cats indoors or allow access outside. As Echoplexia and Miki have said, not all cats even want to go outside so i completely understand if they are happy to stay indoors, then that may be the best option. However, there are also some cats who absolutely hate staying inside at all times and i think this has to be considered. And again, while there are some that can be trained to gradually become housecats even after being used to outside access, there are others who will not be content staying inside.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:38 pm 
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I lost one cat to a car accident and it tore me to pieces. His brother was left all alone and he pined for weeks, I mean a good 5 weeks he sat at the end of our cul-de-sac and screamed at 2am :shock:

I didn't stop him from going out, just 2 plain moggies, who had been in and out from 10 weeks of age. God bless him, he was 9yrs old when a car got him.

My cats I've had have always been in and out, caught the odd mouse or rat, no big deal!

But the bengal I'm getting, I'm not going to let her go outside until I'm confident that she is and even then, I may even just keep her on a longer leash. I'll be setting out an outside aviary I have that she can go too and from via my kitchen. So she'll be outside, just not completely outside.

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:56 pm 
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My cats I've had have always been in and out, caught the odd mouse or rat, no big deal!

Its illegal for exterminators to use kill traps in some states in the US because the native species are almost extinct. Just because its not a problem yet doesn't mean it won't be. I've been into animals my whole life and I can name 3 species that are no longer in my area. One looks like DaBird, one is slow, the other nests on the ground.
Is it a big deal if all the bees die? You can't possibly see the effects feral cats have because your life is too short. You can not say what is big deal. Mice are food for other animals too.

After your story I can't possibly understand your thinking on letting a cat out. Your Bengal you just got was it an outside cat? Probably, not but your considering letting it out????

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:12 pm 
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In the UK, we're really not short on mice or rats at all :shock:

Like I said, I have a very large outside bird aviary that I am converting and going to stick on the back of my house. She can enter to and from via the kitchen window. It's a big avery, enough room to fit a bench, a fair few pot plants, branches etc.

My house literally backs onto a massive lake and nature reserve, which i take the kids around a few times a week, I'm planning on walking her around there and around our local streets on a harness.

I've had 9 cats throughout my life time and we've only ever lost 1, I think in 30 years that's pretty good going. My parents have my norweign forest cross, had to give him up as his fur set my eczema off. He comes and goes, moving onto a good 16yrs old that boy and has lived outside. I never knew how messy double layered coats can get!

Anyway, my point is that I'd rather my kitty has some sort of outside knowledge, just incase there is an instance that she escapes. She was an ex-breeding queen and is now neutered, she's never been out out before and i'm hoping to give her that little bit extra to life. I'm still not set on letting her go outside on her own, it's either on a harness or her outside cage thingy

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:17 am 
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Greeneyes wrote:
In the UK, we're really not short on mice or rats at all :shock:

We don't have a shortage of mice or rats. But certain native species are in decline or extinct from different regions. The mice I'm referring to are cute don't reproduce as fast and rarely invade homes. Most are forest or field dwelling mice.
Exterminators are required to use live traps in certain areas. If they catch one of these species they are required to catch the whole family together and relocate them to areas where they are in decline. Some species of flowers only bloom at night and are pollinated by mice.

I doubt any exterminators following these rules and uneducated people are upset because they hear exterminators are required to catch mice and release them in there neighborhoods. In fact the news is making fun of these stupid laws but they never mention its only a few species and they importants to our ecosystem. People think all mice are the same and the only good one is a dead one.

My problem has always been introduced species like cats, snakes, cane toads, Norwegian Rats, German Hornets, Japanese Beatles, or man made animals like killer bees or gypsy moths.

We don't notice the impact until its to late. Its a chain reaction then we introduce species to kill the introduced species. Or we don't realize the role a species plays in the ecosystem.

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:47 am 
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My place backs onto a nature reserve, one of 4 in my area. It has swans, Canadian and Egyptian geese, variety of ducks and other birds. Also has a few red squirrels, an endless supply of field mice and brown rats and lots and lots of bugs :shock:

I live in a popular area for cat owners, so-much-so that there is a local cat walking club that for obv. reasons runs on a different day to the local dog walking club :lol:

Not sure about where you live in the US but there really isn't an issue with a 'lack of' species where we are. I know it's not an excuse but with the amount of cats in this area, it helps keep down the rat population, which is good. enough rats to keep the insect population down but a local rat cull isn't a bad thing.

There's a wild cat indigenous to the UK, well scotland, scottish wild cat which i think is endangered (possibly around 350 left in the wild). They are not feral or a domestic but an actual wild species of cat, I also think ti's the UK's only remaining large wild predator. I'm pretty sure it's being out bred with feral cats and strays etc. My grandpa's family have a farm up in the highlands, they are wild cat friendly as they keep foxes, mice and rats away, although they have to keep an eye out during the baby seasons as wild cats are notorious for taking the odd lamb and piglet.

I'm all for conservation but some areas over the decades have adapted, where as some areas have not.

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:02 pm 
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it has a lot to do with location and area. i read soo many horror stories of animal abuse and what people to do to poor inocent animals....so i would never want safari roaming and some SICKKK TWISTED person gets a hold of him and does something..... people dont even feel safe bringing children to movies any more due to what happen. so letting a animal just go off on his own may be very scary to most people. plus my cat is very exotic looking & where i live nobody seems to work these days :roll: and would love to steal my poor kitty. :shock: also i hear inside cats live longer because they are not exposed to so many diseases..... for instance....i was walking safari yesterday and before i knew it i looked and he took a bite out of a dog turd :shock: :shock: :shock: so i freaked out and moved him away from this ( not even sure if it was dog/cat no clue where is came from :evil: )....but i took my eyes of him for 2 secs....i could only imagine what he would eat on his own..... and if he is exposed to other stray cats pooh that do have diseases...that is the most scary.......also people spray all kinds of posions on there plants and around house for bugs.... so i believe that is why inside cats live longer. not to mention predators...peoples/ and animals that can hurt them. :|

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:25 pm 
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also wanted to say that i just ordered the exact same stroller 2mins ago :mrgreen: ....cant wait for it to come in i ordered through amazon though. the BF thinks im a complete crazy cat lady!! :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: why??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:14 pm 
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SAFARI MOM wrote:
the BF thinks im a complete crazy cat lady!! :roll:

2nd :!:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:30 pm 
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the BF thinks im a complete crazy cat lady!! :roll:

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i guess since i know we are prob never going to have kids :roll: im treating safari as my kid and i know it drives him crazy. he always has to tell me..."its just a cat" :twisted: it makes me mad...hes not just a cat hes my BABY!!! :mrgreen:

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