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Is Fur acceptable in todays modern society?
Yes 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
No Way! 53%  53%  [ 26 ]
Yes as long as it's vintage 12%  12%  [ 6 ]
Yes as long as the rest of the animal is being used i.e for food or was killed for some other reason i.e pest control 31%  31%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 49
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 Post subject: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:23 pm 
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One of my dreams in life is to one day have my own zoo, or at least a smaller conservation zoo type establishment for smaller wild cats (doubt it will ever happen but a girl can dream... :lol:) so last night I was doing a google search on Ocelots and I found this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ocelot-Fur-Co ... 415dc204ac

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-30s-R ... 2eb85909f2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXQUISITE-Rea ... 415d9c1b3e

I didn't even know you could actually still buy these kinds of things, I thought it was illegal seeing as the animals are endangered but apparently as long as you have the correct paperwork you can sell them if they were made prior to the 1970's when the ban was made.

Apparently fur is back in with some of the big fashion designers again now and some people are buying vintage furs because they see it as an ethical way to wear fur. They say they are recycling the furs and that it is better to use them than to destroy something an animal has died for, they also say that using vintage fur saves more animals being killed to make new furs.

So I thought I would ask what the people on here think, would you wear one of those coats? Do you think vintage fur is fine? Do you think fur is ok as long as the animals were killed for some thother reason (i.e rabbits to eat or coyotes/ foxes as pests) so that the useful parts of the animal aren't wasted? (I'm assuming that everyone here is against the live skinning of animals for fur practiced on a huge scale in China currently). Do you consider fur to be a useful renewable natural resource or are you totally against fur of any kind?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:08 pm 
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I voted no, but there is one exception where I think it's okay; 'native' peoples who still live as they have for hundreds/thousands of years who make their clothes/blankets/homes from fur (and would I assume use any of the rest of the animal that they could too).

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:35 pm 
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The only problem I see with using "vintage" fur is how can you prove it is genuine vintage.
The capacity for making real copies of vintage items is high especially as fur sells for a high price.

30-40's clothing is making a revival this year so there will be enough demand for retro styled clothing to justify making new fur articles.
So just because it is in 30's 40's style, doesn't mean it was killed in the 1930-40 period. I doubt many will have real 1930's receipts to give it provenance.

Fake fur can be beautiful nowadays so no need at all to use real fur.
Give it a decent burial and buy fake if you want a furry look.

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It's not really cold enough here to wear fur coats. I was given my great grandmas fur coat years ago, not sure what happened to it to be honest coz I certainly don't have it now.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:47 am 
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Hmmm, tough question. I recently had this very conversation with a group of friends. I have a lot of friends who are heavily into burlesque, and my one of my best friends is a teacher and organises burlesque shows. I was invited to this burlesque afternoon tea and we went to the local vintage shop. there were some absolutely beautiful furs in there, which were 100% authentic vintage.
I am a veggie, been veggie for 20 years but even so I have to say I came to the conclusion that I would wear one of those coats.

I would not buy or wear a new fur coat or anything with trims, but I suppose I think that its a shame for the coat to be destroyed when that's what the animal died for. I think it should be worn.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:51 pm 
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Gypsie wrote:
I would not buy or wear a new fur coat or anything with trims, but I suppose I think that its a shame for the coat to be destroyed when that's what the animal died for. I think it should be worn.


in a way that does make sense, i prefer to wear fake fur and think celebrities and the like should stop encouraging fashion-conscious fans from wearing it by flaunting their own real fur coats. there have been lots of valid points made so far, one being, how can you prove it was made prior to the 1970s?

i got a fake fur coat that i got from ebay for £30 (i checked the quality of the fur and it feels and looks artificial like polyester) and it kept me warm in the 10 deg C weather outdoors, even though i was just wearing a T-shirt under it because i was at a concert!

in the end, it makes sense not to waste the fur coats already made, but on the other hand, a high demand of fur coats means that suppliers will continue to source alternatives to using real fur. there was a thread on this forum previously posted in which a fur shop in Korea started using (and i'm not joking) bengal cats' fur as fur coats because they considered it more 'ethical' and cheaper than real leopards.

will i ever wear a real fur coat? no, i can't imagine wearing some poor animal who got skinned alive (for those made in cheap countries where the welfare and the suffering of the animal was not taken into account) and i don't believe in supporting the industry just because rich people feel it's the height of fashion and expresses luxury to wear real fur when fake fur can be just as nice.

i'd much rather have Tigger come and curl up around my face as a live and warm scarf in the winter cold :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:04 pm 
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Vintage I don't mind but in modern day I really don't think we should be killing animals for fur. I'm a vegetarian anyway although I do have leather handbags and shoes but with fur I will not buy new.

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I have a vintage raccoon fur trimmed coat from the 60s, which I love. But no, I would NEVER buy a new fur coat. I am also a vegetarian!

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 Post subject: Re: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:33 am 
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Personally, it absolutely disgusts me to think that anyone could wear the skin/fur of such a beautiful animal that has been killed like that. I don't care if it was killed in the '30s, '40s, or yesterday. It has always, and will always make me sick to my stomach. To me, "vintage" means nothing. I just think it's above and beyond wrong. How do people even think they are worthy of wearing those beautiful animals' skin? No one is.

All I can see when I looked at that ebay picture of the Ocelot fur coat was a beautiful animal being SO UNJUSTLY brutally murdered, for an absolutely ridiculous and selfish reason. Never in my entire life would I even consider wearing the real fur of such a wonderful animal. Wild cats are by far my most favorite animal in the world, any harm that comes to them deeply saddens me. I accidentally stumbled onto a horrifying youtube video of a beautiful wild lynx caught in a foothold trap being shot and killed.. I just about DIED. My heart sank, and I couldn't believe it. I thought it was going to be a cute video of someone just capturing rare footage of a wild lynx up close, but boy was I wrong. Very misleading title. :x

Anyway, I guess I'm going off-topic a bit. But simply put, no, I would NEVER condone the use of real animal fur for stupid 'fashion'. I would much rather scoop these babies up and love them forever... Yeah, maybe I'm crazy. Whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:23 pm 
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I voted Yes as long as the rest of the animal is used. Because leather comes to mind and I don't have a problem with that. I guess my answer would be Yes as long as the rest of the animal is used AND farm raised not removed from the wild. I can't think of any fur that would match that description other than rabbit although I don't think they make good food because they do taste just like chicken and aren't very meaty. So I just eat chicken. However they do make good Bengal food. I get toys for my cat made of rabbit or dried rabbit parts (ears,feet) direct from the farm that raises my cats food. I don't have a problem with that. Being a guy I'm not interest in wearing fur. But coon skin hats like Davy Crockett wore I do have a problem with even if they are pest animals.

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 Post subject: Re: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:36 pm 
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I say yes if its killed for some other reason - but do agree that vintage should be used in preference to killing for new!
I wear leather shoes, gloves, boots, motorbike kit, and this has been produced (I hope) using humane methods.

I must add though - That if Merlin shouts at me once more tonight, I will have a beautiful new pair of slippers! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:30 pm 
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I dont condone any killing of animals for purposes such as their coat, or weird medicines or trophy's.
I was vegetarian for 15 years and only this year have started to eat meat. When i was vegetarian I wore leather shoes - if they are killing the cow for its meat I'd rather every part of the animal was used.

My mother has my grandmothers fur coat and animal skin products brought back from Africa from the 50's - they are beautiful but they are kept away and the coat is never worn.

There are some brilliant 'fake' materials out there so would prefer to see those purchased and used nowadays. I go to some classic car events where people dress up from the different era's, i hate seeing furs with the feet etc still attached - it really turns my stomach.

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 Post subject: Re: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:24 pm 
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No NO NO!! I dont care how old it is whre it came from how the animal died I say 150% NO.It is wrong and th those of you who dont know Bengals are being breed and raised to an adult size to be slaughterd for their coats. It makes me sick and No I dont even own anyhting leather!!! It is wrong in every since of the word. I understand that people have their beliefs as native americans and some tribal people from Alaska I understand that but how can someone here in todays society have the desire or even want to have a fur coat? It makes me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:16 am 
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No NO NO!! I dont care how old it is whre it came from how the animal died I say 150% NO.It is wrong and th those of you who dont know Bengals are being breed and raised to an adult size to be slaughterd for their coats. It makes me sick and No I dont even own anyhting leather!!! It is wrong in every since of the word. I understand that people have their beliefs as native americans and some tribal people from Alaska I understand that but how can someone here in todays society have the desire or even want to have a fur coat? It makes me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So is it better to slaughter an animal for some other reason (food, medical purposes, whatever), and let the fur rot, or also utilize the fur? You say it doesn't matter how the animal died, but I honestly don't see how that's the case. Like a lot of people only purchase natural-death taxidermy... it makes a big difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Fur Coats
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:25 am 
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It's a very slippery slope I think. I personally would never choose to do it, but you have to be careful about how far you want to take this argument. You won't find any fur coats, or animal heads lining my walls, or bear skin rugs, but I do eat meat, I sometimes get shoes that have "leather uppers", my previous car had leather seats, and I'm sure if someone were to do an inventory of my possessions they'd be able to find a pretty good number of things with animal origins, or had some indirect connection to animal cruelty in some way. I don't try to rationalize it, so I have to live with the knowledge that I'm a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to animal rights and the like. But I sure don't want to flaunt my hypocrisy and I try to make up for it lots of donations to animal causes, support animal rights legislation and so forth.

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